Muslims: The Strangers in Our Midst

[Gaybutton]

The vast majority of terrorist deaths around the planet are from Islamic terrorists.

That's right. That's precisely the point. And the vast majority of Islamic people are not terrorists. Other than their religious beliefs, they're no different from anybody else.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see ostracizing millions of people because a few radical elements are terrorists. By that logic, the world ought to ban all American citizens because a few Americans walked into a movie theater and shot up the place. I fail to see a significant difference.

I do, however, believe if people choose to live in a country and culture different from their own, then they should make an effort to at least embrace the culture rather than trying to lead totally separate lives in a world of their own.

What would you do about people who were born and raised in the UK, are UK citizens, but they are also Islamic and dress in Islamic style. If they shouldn't be allowed to live where they were born and have been citizens from birth, what then? Deprive them of their rights? Deport them - to where? Get the cattle cars ready?

If you fear Islamics, then the last thing you would want to do is force them to stop wearing their outfits. After all, how else are you going to identify them? 6-pointed star armbands - or in this case crescent moon and star armbands?

Whatever the answer is, persecuting an entire religion and culture based on the actions of a few isn't it.

[Dodger]

What's interesting about the Muslim's I see in the U.S. is that they don't appear to have any interest in adapting to the American culture - conversely, they seem to want to stay confined within their own culture walking around in their customary dress, rarely making eye contact, leaving the impression that they are only here to take advantage of the freedom (which has been fought for to preserve) without showing any inclinations (or interest in) becoming Americans. If you don't have an interest in becoming a member of the society you're entering - then enter somewhere else. That, in my opinion, should be the first prerequisite for any foreigner entering our soil.

As far as the immigration concerns, I agree that they (the Muslims) should not be allowed to enter the U.S. until we have the controls in place to properly screen them, which we certainly don't have in place at the present. Knowing that ISIS can and will leverage "open borders" to infiltrate is all we need to know (IMO).

I am not not a Trump supporter in any way-shape-or form, and feel bad for the innocent people who just want a better life, but protecting our citizens has to be the top priority. As far as crime goes in general in the U.S., this is of course a real concern, but I don't for a minute confuse this issue with the situation involving Muslim immigrants. If anything, this just reinforces my belief that we have enough to deal with now - and simply don't need any more problems, especially from a race/culture who seem bent on destroying us.

[Gaybutton]

they don't appear to have any interest in adapting to the American culture - conversely, they seem to want to stay confined within their own culture walking around in their customary dress, rarely making eye contact, leaving the impression that they are only here to take advantage of the freedom (which has been fought for to preserve) without showing any inclinations (or interest in) becoming Americans.

Doesn't the freedom that was fought for include the right to do just that, if that's their choice?

Look at our own American history. Blacks were considered inferior to the point that they were slaves, and even now some still consider them to be just as inferior. In New York Irish immigrants hated Italian immigrants and later both hated Puerto Rican immigrants. As recently as World War II Japanese Americans were forced into little better than concentration camps even though most of them were full American citizens and had absolutely nothing to do with Japan's aggression. Many were born in the USA and many couldn't even read or speak a word of Japanese.

Now different ethnic groups are the ones hated, but the hatred continues - through no fault at all of most of the people who are recipients of the hate. It's easy to massively hate an entire group. I'd like to see those who want to ostracize them have to take each of them, individually, and explain what they did to deserve to be not only hated, but forced out of their own country.

"God made the ocean. God made the sky. God made the people. God knows why."
- Lee Marvin (Ben Rumson), 'Paint Your Wagon'

[RichLB]

Aw c'mon guys!!! Muslims are not the threat - terrorists are. By equating the two, we're creating the very condition we seek to avoid. My view is we should be reaching out to American Muslims and welcoming them into the war on terrorism, not making enemies of them.

[Undaunted]

Dodger, you make a valid point as to their lack of interest in assimilation however, like anything else there are huge exceptions such as the Pakistani/American "Gold Star" family whose son was killed fighting for America and its "War on terror" thank God, Allah, Buddha, whoever for people like this!

[artic55]

Have you Americans and westerners for that matter, ever wandered why our kind is hated so much in the Islamic world??? Western values are in some places of the world not considered values, but the contrary. Exploiting natural resources, supporting corrupt and oppressing regimes are a few reasons that come into mind.
Most crimes in the USA are committed by black Americans, should we ban blacks from entering the country?? Brevik is a Christian Norwegian, should we ban the f....ing Norwegians??
The only thing we need to fear is fear itself............

[Undaunted]

Brevik is a Christian Norwegian, should we ban the f....ing Norwegians?? .

Not all but those those like this:



Fuck "Political Correctness" and take care of your own!

[Undaunted]

I Can't get my head around the fact that anyone still believes in all this God/Allah/Prophet Muhammad bullshit.

How about "Immaculate Conseption"?

[Undaunted]

This post by a Dutch member of this board (thaifarang) on another thread is the most revealing of all:

Muslim immigration in Europe poses a danger for our freedoms. Most Muslim immigrants hate us, hate the West and what we stand for. They love our social security by the way.

Most are not potential terrorists, thats true, but not because they are moderate. Many Muslims support or can understand the terrorists.
Many Muslims first identity is their religion, then their home country and then their adopted country. The average Moroccon Muslim in the Netherlands identifies in the first place as Muslim, then as Moroccon and then as Dutch. A succesfull society can not work when huge chunks of its inhabitants don't identitify with it and don't want to identify with it and don't contribute to its wellfare (most of them don't work, receive social security, are in crime).

Also the greater their presence the more it impacts our freedoms. Many schools can't discuss the Holocaust anymore because Muslim children in the class will not allow it, will stand up, disrupt class. When classes hold a minute of silence for the victims of terrorist attacks Muslim children in class break the silence (which tells you a lot about what is privately said in their households when they discuss the terrorist attacks). It has become now impossible to have a theater show for example which critices Mohammed or the Islam as religion. No museum will have the courage to show Mohammed drawings.

I think the social fabric will break down. We need immigrants, but from Eastern Asia for example. They integrate well, don't cause problems, have the will and drive to better their live and study well and get good jobs and want to integrate. They don't have that tribal mentality Muslims have. The average Muslim will always support the Muslim side in a conflict. Because it is what he identifies with in the first place and because of a tribal mindset ("you always support your clan even if they are wrong").

Any person who thinks a bit will have to worry about the future of Europe. It is not bigotry to want less Muslim immigration. To want to deport those Muslims who cause problems. Who preach hatred. It is a sensible thing to do. Sadly there is no party which has this sensible platform. Or the party is too extreme (Wilders) or not willing to truly tackle the issues. I want for example any Muslim to be deprived of his Dutch nationality when he clearly makes clear not to identify as Dutch. For example when Turks say on Dutch tv "I am Turk and Turkey is my country, even while I live here and I hate the West, we will take over, Islam will become the greatest relgion here" then give my one reason why he can keep his Dutch pasport and is not deported to Turkey?

We need to enforce our values and defend them. Take action. Don't give in. We give in so much in the hope it will appease them and avoid conflict.

[Smiles]

" ... Can't get my head around the fact that anyone still believes in all this God/Allah/Prophet Muhammad bullshit ... "

I have absolutely no idea how (or even if) to 'solve' the terrorist dilemma which this planet seems to be infested with, but Mr Kirk's Big Picture regarding religiosity in general is spot on.