[Some] Boys True Intentions when offed.

[Gitar]

A post by Jun where he mentioned Classic Boys bar in Boyztown, reminded me of an incident on my last trip to Thailand with a boy who works/worked there and just how truthful some of the boys are regarding their intentions when offed.

Incidentally the owner/operator of Classic Boys is a Cambodian who used to run/own JQK Bar in Jomtien Complex where The Best Bar is now situated as well as a Karaoke/Club with male hosts right next door to Sinlapin Issan which has now closed and so has a great deal of experience in the boys bar industry.

I didn't actually meet or off the boy who works/worked at Classic Boys from his bar, he is extremely cute, slim with small body and was introduced to me outside MBar in Jomtien by Charlee the partner there [with M] and who previously ran both Sunee Intimate and Dodo bars. The boy had come to catch up with a friend who works at MBar and was just hanging about in the outside area where I was and Charlee noticed the boy looking my way and noted my interest in him, so asked the boy if he wanted to be introduced, which he did. Charlee left us to it and we found we got on very well as we had some common interests. The main one was Thai music, because as my name suggests I play guitar and specifically Thai songs when in Thailand. Inside MBar the music played is at a reasonable level and you can request any song (s) you like to be played, so we landed up discussing my Thai song choices and artists I thought the rest of the boys working there might also like.

Anyway we got on really well and despite his small frame was able to drink beers as I was, and so we both were getting tipsy. He was clearly relaxed and seemed really comfortable as there was never a second where one of us was not chatting, during which he revealed his plans for later was heading to Hat Jomtien soi 12. Those who are not familiar with Soi 12, I can start another thread on it. So for now he said he was happy having a drink and getting in the mood for later, It was about 12am by now and 3-4 beers in when he mentioned that if I wanted to take him to my room for some fun first he was up for it, as Soi 12 doesn't get going till about 2am. No off fee as he didn't work there and said I could give some tip if I wanted but he wasn't that bothered about that as It was his day off so not working! only fun night tonight, and he was horny and wanted to cum. Obviously after over 20 years visiting Thailand I was wary of that statement but fine to go along with it as he was so cute. But I said as I had already had some activity earlier in the afternoon I would be lazy about any interaction anyway, but we could just see how it goes.

So we headed to my room in the Complex area so not far. In the room he got naked immediately and he was absolutely gorgeous, so we played around a bit and both were happy enough and as he was horny so came the way he preferred rather than any specifics that I might want, which was fine as I already was pre-warned and wasn't that bothered. As he was more than a little boozy [as he told me later] and didn't realise how drunk he was, his guard was down and he said it was just as well I wasn't specific about activities as despite showing all the traits of a bottom boy said he didn't really like fucking with customers that much and wasn't even all that keen on smoking if he didn't fancy the person, he preferred to cum as a top or chuck-wow, not exactly ideal for a boy working in a gay gogo bar where he would be offed by top gay customers. He said many of his customers expected to fuck him but he would try avoid that and have customers cum some other way unless he really had to comply.

I was glad I hadn't offed him specifically because I assumed he was bottom only or acting as if he was and actually turned out to be 'difficult'. Then at one point he received a call which he answered immediately and announced, I go now! Of course this was expected by me as he had already pre-warned me of plans. If he had gone through with full range of expected activities which as he was so cute I could have managed, I would have tipped normal amount even though he said earlier he wasn't too bothered on tip, but I did give him a tip for Soi 12 drinks, which he accepted without any indication of being disappointed in the amount. Just thanks, kiss cuddle, hope see you again gitar, and off he went.

But I just thought, IF I had been very keen to have him as an off, paid for expensive gogo drinks, off fee and expected short/long time remuneration I would have probably been VERY disappointed, as it was it worked fine for both, but it would be a very uncomfortable off with him trying to get away with as little as he could with a serious customer. If he hadn't been relaxed and a bit drunk I would never have known about his true intentions as a bar boy.

He actually left a Buddha amulet behind in my room, and as I had planned to visit Classic Boys at some stage to see my Cambodian boss friend who I got on very well with when he ran JQK Bar in the Complex anyway, it gave me another reason to visit Classic Boys. A couple days later, I was in Boyztown as I still have many friends from over the years working there. The Classic Boss saw me coming out of BoyzBoyz and so lead me into Classic Boys, The boy I had been with was there, and while I caught up with my Boss friend saw him looking over but very shy-like. I finally signaled him over and he seemed apprehensive until I smiled and said here is your amulet, you forgot it! The Boss was surprised I already knew him as I hadn't visited Classic Boys yet. The boy explained to Boss how we met, that we had a great time but he was very drunk and thinks I might have been disappointed in him. But I wasn't as he had already told me enough to expect low expectations. But in a joking way I explained to him he needs to be more alert to the needs of his customer if he wants repeat business, trying to get away with bare minimum won't cut it with repeat customers no matter how cute he is.

I explained I knew our situation was different and I hadn't high expectations for our interaction BUT if I had paid top dollar I would have been disappointed. He did say to his Boss he was quite drunk that night but I didn't say anything in front of his Boss, just to him directly, also gave another tip as I had only given him a smaller amount even though I really did enjoy my time with him.

Well that turned out to be a bit longer than I had intended, which was cautionary tale about making sure you definitely agree what the activities are going to be if you off a gogo boy who might have the intention of getting away with as little as he can for maximum remuneration. I haven't actually offed a boy from a gogo bar for those activities for years so wasn't really up to speed about expectations. I have much more interaction with Lao and Thai boys in the bars, I have met a few Cambodian boys who make out they are 100% gay but find out or are told later that in fact they are either top only or only 50% into gay activities. On saying that I also know a couple who are everything they say they are and are great lads. I find Thai and now Lao boys much more honest about activities, likes and dislikes.

[Gaybutton]

Those who are not familiar with Soi 12, I can start another thread on it.

Please do. Soi 12 is not ringing a bell even for me.

Incidentally, you obviously have years of experience in Pattaya - 20 years you said. What took you so long to become a member of this board?

[Jun]

Thank you for an interesting post.

1 I'll happily off lads from Thailand, Laos or Cambodia. With a slight preference for the Lao boys. However, over 5 years ago, I had some Cambodian bar boys who wouldn't do much at all.
That's when I started explaining what they have to do to get paid. Once a Cambodian lad has agreed to this, I'm happy to take him.

2 Of course, despite all the promises, there are ways to appear willing to bottom, but still discourage it. Some can willingly lube up, turn over & then clench their sphincter. Fortunately, other activities that are conducted without a condom can be more fun.

3 Boys behaviour also changes after they have been drinking. On the last trip, one lad I know showed up after he's consumed a few drinks & the service below his normal level. I try to avoid offing lads who have been drinking and I avoid taking lads when I've been drinking.

4 Your lad said he wasn't going to do a proper off. You didn't have high expectations. No surprises.

5 He's one of those lads who talks more than average. He's disclosed more about how he operates than most. However, our experience shows that's exactly how some boys operate. The trick is to filter them out.
In Bangkok, I used to meet a Lao lad who talked a lot. At one meeting, he confided that all his regular customers don't want to see him any more. I'd already quietly decided it was his last time with me, as his main priority was always to finish as quickly as possible.

[Dodger]

.......I explained I knew our situation was different and I hadn't high expectations for our interaction BUT if I had paid top dollar I would have been disappointed...

Great story...thanks for sharing.

Sounds like you were both honest with each other from the beginning and you both had a good time. Isn't that all that really matters?

Of course you would have been disappointed if you paid top dollar - but you didn't - because that wasn't part of the arrangement.

It sounds like he was also being up-front with you about having plans for later that evening. Have you considered the fact that maybe the person he was meeting later was a Top and he was saving himself for that reason?