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travelerjim1 wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:38 pm
......Always use and retain a valid US Address for your bank accounts.
Thanks Jim,

Excellent advice as always.

I kept my U.S. address on file when retiring (daughters address) and still maintain my U.S. bank account. I opted to have my SSA payments direct deposited in my Thai bank account. Works well, although may change in the future using my U.S. bank as a transfer point as you advised.

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There is one big problem about keeping your money in the USA, and I imagine other countries too. That is if you have a Thai boyfriend and you intend to leave him all your assets in your will.

It has been a little more than a full year since RichLB died. He left all his money, a very large amount, to his long time Thai boyfriend. RichLB kept most of his money in the USA. Despite having a valid Thai will and an American will, along with a competent Thai attorney and a good American financial services company, his Thai boyfriend still has been unable to get any of the money. There are all kinds of complications involved, especially when it comes to international.

If RichLB had kept his money in Thailand, his boyfriend would have had it within 3 months. But now I am involved in trying to help him. So is the Thai attorney, and a close friend in the USA who is a financial wizard. We have been doing everything we can to try to get the money released, but it's a constant set of issues. Every time we get one issue resolved, more issues pop up. There seems to be no end to it.

In short, if you intend to leave your money to a Thai, make sure to have a valid Thai will and best to keep your money in a Thai bank account. That would make it easy for your Thai friend to get the money. The only reason it takes 2 or 3 months in Thailand is because that is usually how long it takes for probate to be complete.

There is often yet another problem if the Thai boy gets the money. Throughout the years I have seen several times when the Thai boy inherits a huge amount of money. But they know nothing about what they should do with the money and all too often it is gone within months and the boy winds up broke and back on the rice farm.

Once again - my fault - we're getting way off the topic. Feel free to respond to this post and previous posts, but then let's get back to the issue of frozen bank accounts.
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Gaybutton wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:09 pm There is one big problem about keeping your money in the USA, and I imagine other countries too. That is if you have a Thai boyfriend and you intend to leave him all your assets in your will.
An important issue! When I am back in Thailand, hope to discuss it with you in person.
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Bank accounts affect all expats & quite a few tourists, so this thread ought to be kept on topic (as you're trying to do).
Forking the inheritance topic off into a new thread would make sense, as that would be quite important for some.
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Harald wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 12:47 am An important issue! When I am back in Thailand, hope to discuss it with you in person.
I will be happy to do that.

Jun wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 2:09 am Forking the inheritance topic off into a new thread would make sense, as that would be quite important for some.
You're right and I have made a new topic for it - "Inheritance Problems for Thai Boys" - viewtopic.php?t=12061

Now, on this topic let's stick with issues involving frozen Thai bank accounts
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Bank of Thailand warns public against fake news on account freezes

By Pattaya Mail

September 20, 2025

The Bank of Thailand (BoT) has issued a warning to the public not to believe circulating social media claims that transferring money between your own bank accounts could result in account freezes or legal action.

Chayawadee Chai-anun, Assistant Governor for Corporate Relations and spokesperson for BoT, confirmed that such reports are false and constitute “fake news.” The Bank urges account holders to remain vigilant and not be misled by these online rumors.

However, BoT acknowledged that measures under the Cybersecurity Emergency Decree, which aim to trace suspicious financial flows and protect victims, could sometimes unintentionally affect legitimate account holders. To address this, BoT, in coordination with police and the Technology Crime Suppression Center (TCSD), has revised procedures for unlocking accounts and is improving mechanisms to minimize impacts on innocent users.

Spokesperson Chayawadee added that balancing the need to intercept fraudulent funds with minimizing disruption to honest account holders is essential. “Reducing the number of illicit accounts benefits the financial ecosystem, but we are committed to ensuring that law-abiding individuals are impacted as little as possible,” she said.

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/bank-o ... zes-519698
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Regardless who has their account audited and possibly suspended, and who doesn't, it just makes sense to stop into your bank(s) when you get a chance and make sure your account records are all complete and up-to-date, i.e., phone/sim numbers, address, passport number, etc. I've already done this and plan to repeat this process annually.

Also, if you have a bank app(s) it only makes sense to check out the profile once in a while to make sure everything is accurate there as well.

I had to renew my passport earlier this year and if GB hadn't mentioned the importance of reporting my new passport number to my banks(s) I probably would have forgot to.

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Dodger wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 8:15 am I had to renew my passport earlier this year and if GB hadn't mentioned the importance of reporting my new passport number to my banks(s) I probably would have forgot to.
Banks, immigration, and anywhere else that requires your passport number.

More information at: viewtopic.php?t=11521
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Innocent victims of the mule crackdown

As authorities enhance their campaign against scam bank accounts, law-abiding citizens get swept up as their funds are accidentally frozen, writes Somruedi Banchongduang

by Somruedi Banchongduang

September 22, 2025

In recent days, public complaints have surged over the suspension of money transfers and payments via digital platforms, largely linked to authorities' crackdown on mule accounts.

The inconvenience stems from a security upgrade by relevant agencies aimed at curbing financial fraud.

If your financial transaction is locked, you can verify your account and normally resume transactions within one day.

Transaction Lock

Under the amended Royal Decree on Measures for the Prevention and Suppression of Technology-related Crime, both government and private sector agencies are authorised to temporarily suspend suspicious financial transactions or permanently close mule accounts.

The level of law enforcement depends on the severity of the fraud, in line with the "five shades" of mule account classification: light brown, dark brown, light grey, dark grey, and the most severe level of black.

For most users affected by disruptions in online money transfers or QR code payments, the suspension applies only to specific transactions or amounts flagged as suspicious. Banks do not close the account.

In contrast, if an account is proven to be a mule account, it is permanently closed.

Such closures require police initiation under the Criminal Procedure Code and a court-issued freeze order.

Once the bank account is closed, all transactions, including withdrawals, transfers and debit card payments, are blocked.

Legitimate vs Mule Accounts

To protect legitimate customers while targeting scammers, agencies including the Bank of Thailand, the Digital Economy and Society Ministry, the Anti-Money Laundering Office (Amlo), the Thai Bankers' Association (TBA), and the Cyber Crime Investigation Bureau established a joint "war room".

This unit investigates cases in detail to distinguish innocent victims from fraudulent actors.

As part of the mule account investigation process, banks and related agencies trace the flow of funds through suspicious accounts.

Since August, this examination expanded to include e-money and with the amendment, digital assets as well.

While these stricter measures may occasionally affect innocent account holders, authorities are working to carefully distinguish scammers from legitimate customers.

The goal is to ensure genuine users can continue conducting financial transactions with confidence.

"The upgraded measures may affect regular consumers," said Daranee Saeju, assistant governor for payment system policy and financial protection at the central bank.

"However, we aim to protect innocent account holders and support fraud victims as much as possible."

How to Unlock an Account

If your money transfer is temporarily suspended, you can request the block be lifted through your bank by following these steps:

1. Call the Anti-Online Scam Operation Center (AOC) hotline at 1441, and press 2.

2. Ask the AOC to lift the suspension. The centre has the authority to approve the release immediately.

3. A joint verification process will be conducted, including:

Reviewing transaction patterns

Checking if the account holder's name is linked to accounts frozen by Amlo or the police

4. If no irregularities are detected and the account is not linked to mule accounts or fraudulent transactions, the AOC can lift the suspension immediately, either within four hours or one day depending on the review cycle.

How Long to Unlock?

The authorities streamlined the operational process for unlocking suspended transfers to facilitate consumers following complaints.

Banks now suspend only the suspicious amount, rather than freezing the entire account. All banks follow the same standard, under which such amounts may be suspended for up to three days.

For blacklisted mule accounts, if the police issue an order, the suspension can be extended for an additional seven days, allowing a total of 10 days for the investigation.

If no irregularities are detected, the funds are returned once the review period concludes.

Under the latest rules, effective from Sept 14, most suspensions can be resolved much faster, within one day or even 3-4 hours, instead of the previous 3-7 days.

According to the AOC, on Sept 14 alone 5,274 calls were made to the hotline. Of these, 1,748 callers provided personal information for verification, 3,526 refused, and only 107 accounts were approved for unlocking.

Informing Users

Money transfers via digital banking are a primary target for mule account scammers.

This is why banks notify mobile banking users before locking any suspicious transaction.

However, the authorities emphasise that information sharing must be handled with proper safeguards or else scammers can adapt and exploit such details, said Supreecha Limpikanjanakowit, a representative of the TBA.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ge ... -crackdown
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The media has no problem publishing how many bank accounts were frozen, but so far I have not seen one word telling us how many mule, frauds, and scams were actually stopped. For all we know, maybe they stopped thousands of them - or stopped none of them.

Regarding the 50,000 baht transfer limit, since none of my bank accounts were frozen, using a bank app I was able to raise the limit to far more than 50,000 baht. I transferred quite a bit more from one bank account to another - no problem. And since doing that early this morning, by closing time my account has not been frozen and is working just fine.

I am guessing that if your account has not been frozen by now, it won't be.
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