Boys

[pinoyfriends]

How do you gentlemen deal with very poor performance?
I offed a Laos thin twink 19yo and we agreed on 3000 baht overnight and I would be top. He was very insistent that I take him and pressured me since the night prior. Claimed to have only recently arrived from Laos a week ago.
Performance in bed was abysmal. He immediately decided I'm too big to even try. Then wanted more money if I did try.
Unhappily I agree on 2500 overnight with no anal sex. He isn't interested in kissing, oral, anything really. He wants to sleep.
He wants to masterbate to straight porn. I return from the toilet and he's jacked himself off to xtube straight porn.
I tell him this is a waste of time and he leaves and demands 2000.
What should my response be?

[Gaybutton]

What should my response be?

I've had duds before too. Probably all of us have had a bad experience. Fortunately, at least for me, those experiences are rare. In all the years I've lived in Thailand, I can recall only 3 times when that happened.

The way I've dealt with it was to give him the money we had agreed on and send him on his way. I would not get upset, angry, argue with him, or anything else. But I would never take him again. If I am in the bar where he works and he comes over to sit with me without invitation, I would send him back to the stage.

Many would disagree with me and give him only taxi fare, if anything at all, if he doesn't live up to what he agreed to do. But that won't change anything and I see no point in everybody getting upset. The amount I had agreed to give him won't break the bank, so I just give it to him and goodbye. You have to expect disappointment every once in a while and be prepared to deal with it if it does happen.

Don't let these boys pressure you. If they are persistent, now it's time to either leave or tell him to get lost.

[Dodger]

How do you gentlemen deal with very poor performance?

We have no choice but to accept the fact that it's just part of the aging process...

[Jun]

How do you gentlemen deal with very poor performance?

I negotiate the terms before we meet. Kiss, plus **** and **** minimum 1000 baht, more if you are good.
No kiss, no tip.
No ****, no tip.
No ****, no tip.

I make sure he agrees.

Just occasionally, one quits at this stage, so I probably have avoided a dud.
So I never get anyone who is a total dud. I occasionally get one who does the bare minimum, but he just gets the 1000, whilst the good ones get more.

Boys new on the scene are higher risk. They might survive for a few weeks without delivering any service, but with no repeat customers, they don't last.

Also, asking for 3000 is something of a red flag. The going rate in Pattaya is about 2000 long time and there seems to be some kind of inverse correlation between money requested and service delivered.

When I do long time, I also tell him the 2000 is for staying until after 8:00 am. I tell him it's 500 if leaving earlier, assuming I really want long time.

I also shower thoroughly and use mouthwash for at least 60 seconds before he arrives.

I find Lao Boys to be the most reliable.

The more pushy a boy is, the less likely I am to take him.

A few years ago in Cambodia, I had one lad who "didn't understand" when I was trying to negotiate. When he showed up, it turns out he speaks good English and is studying it at University. He was a dud. So I don't accept the don't understand excuse now. Even the lads who speak almost no English tend to be proficient with translation apps. At least in Pattaya.

[Gaybutton]

I negotiate the terms before we meet.

I try to do as little of that as I can. I enjoy it much more when it feels like a date rather than a business arrangement (even though I know that is exactly what it is).

I try to make it an enjoyable experience for the boy too. I much prefer that to an Ok, I did what you wanted, now give me my money and see you later. If I go back to the bar I am hoping the boy (if I liked him) is glad to see me rather than thinking Oh no! Not him again.

I bear in mind the boy is usually working in the bar for two main reasons - one is to be taken off and the other is hoping for a sugar daddy.

As for whether I am interested in taking him again, and perhaps becoming a regular, I am similar to what John Houseman used to say when he was doing the Smith Barney ads: "They make money the old fashioned way. They earn it."

[Jun]

I try to make it an enjoyable experience for the boy too. I much prefer that to an Ok, I did what you wanted, now give me my money and see you later. If I go back to the bar I am hoping the boy (if I liked him) is glad to see me

The filtering process is just applied before we meet. It keeps the non-performers away, so I never have had to follow through with the zero tip threat.

Once the lad arrives, I try to be friendly and treat the guy with respect. Which results in almost all of them asking to meet again.

Inverting this, if someone has made an open ended commitment to pay a guy 3000 baht and the boy is no good, the 3000 baht commitment still stands.
I like to avoid such situations and have a commitment to pay matched by a commitment to earn the money.

[Gaybutton]

Inverting this, if someone has made an open ended commitment to pay a guy 3000 baht and the boy is no good, the 3000 baht commitment still stands.

If someone is dumb enough to make a commitment for that much with a boy he has never even tried before, then if it doesn't work out my sympathies go with the boy.

[Dodger]

......I try to do as little of that as I can. I enjoy it much more when it feels like a date rather than a business arrangement (even though I know that is exactly what it is).

Well said, and I totally agree.

I've never once negotiated anything with a working boy regardless of how and where I met him and found myself being more than satisfied with the service on countless occasions. "Countless" being a very appropriate term because after 2-1/2 decades of enjoying literally thousands of sexual interactions with Thai boys I've lost count of the number of terrific interactions I've enjoyed - but can count on one hand how many times I was disappointed.

To begin with "Negotiating" (in the context of how the term is being used in this thread) is a Western concept - not an Asian concept. The working boys simply judge you based on your personality (and generosity) and expect that you are doing the same when judging them regardless if you meet in-person or on the internet. Being satisfied sexually has a lot more to do with "karma" than it does on "money", thus the reason why even the best of negotiators sometimes find themselves being less than satisfied with the service. I know some would choke when reading that - but it's the truth.

Think more about WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PLEASE HIM IN BED - and less about WHAT HE HAS TO DO TO PLEASE YOU and you can't go wrong.

The Dali Dodger...

[Jun]

Think more about WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PLEASE HIM IN BED - and less about WHAT HE HAS TO DO TO PLEASE YOU and you can't go wrong.

I'm sure this works just fine when you're in a long term relationship with a lad and presumably not meeting many bar boys. If any.

How much it helps Pinoyfriends is another question. If he's paying 3000 baht, he might just expect some pleasure from the experience.

[Dodger]

......I'm sure this works just fine when you're in a long term relationship with a lad and presumably not meeting many bar boys. If any.

Actually, all of the sexual encounters" I was referencing occurred with "money boys". Well there's one exception; I married a monk one time... . Just ask Undaunted.