RichLB wrote:christianpfc wrote:Compare the ancient Greeks and Romans, who had no idea about electricity and therefore could not explain thunder and lightning in other ways than as the action of Gods. Now we can make lightning and thunder in the laboratory.
At the risk of going askew of our current discussion, you might want to open
http://illuminanet.tripod.com/id6.html. It seems the ancients were not as backwards as we think. They did, in fact, possess devices capable of producing electricity, they had invented the steam engine long before James Watt, they had perfected drilling technology at a level superior to our 21st century abilities, hydraulic power was used to open temple doors, and, of course their astronomical knowledge. The aforementioned devices exist today not only in ancient texts, but also in physical objects housed in several museums. One might argue how the ancients discovered this technology and couple that with their fascination with stars.
I read most of the link. Please show me one drilling by an ancient civilisation that is superior to our 21st century abilities. I am aware that there were devices found that could have been a battery.
With UFOs it's like with Christianity: a lot of people believe in it and some have seen it, but there is no proof. 2013 years and no proof! Just show me thing that I cannot explain by natural laws (which could as well mean that my understanding of nature is incomplete without involving supernatural power or aliens).
Most claims of supernatural abilities are easily debunked. Two month ago I sat through the "lucky face" scam while riding the bus (I had nothing else to do and wanted to see how it works), today there was another Indian with the "lucky face" scam in my area, but I cut it short because I was in a hurry. He then proceeded and approached Thai people (he spoke good English and said he can speak Thai, but not read and write). I wonder how his chances are in a Thai area.
But back to the one in the bus. He told me he can tell me the name of my mother. I had to write it down on a paper, which he then crumbled, blew on it, did some other things, and finally produced another paper which had the name of my mother on it. I don't know how it got there, but I am well aware that there must be a trick, but his hands were faster then my eyes. If he knew the name of my mother, he could tell me without me having to write it down! Or even simpler: tell me how much money I have in my wallet. I will count it and if you are correct, you can have half of it.
I approached one fortune teller at Wat Hua Lampong (there is one who speaks English) asking if he can help me find my stolen passport. He probably doesn't get this request often, so he deviated to being able to tell about my future: my work and my GIRLFRIEND. He just need my DATE OF BIRTH. How comes he can see into my future, but not in the present (that I am gay) or in the past (my date of birth)? I would imagine seeing my past and my present is much easier than my future.
Apart from that, I am still open to supernatural powers, fortune telling, aliens. Just show me one thing or fact that does not stand my scrutiny.
