What do YOU CURRENTLY tip in Pattaya for short time ?

[Jun]

There's too much unjustified criticism in this thread & sometimes that criticism is based on an extrapolation, rather than what's written.

Rocket is perfectly entitled to consider his money as hard earned. Particularly if tipping at or above average levels.
His boys are far better placed to judge if he's treating them with respect than any board member. The repeat dates tell you all you need to know.

making demands

No one is making demands. I ask a boy what he does. If that doesn't include what I want, the conversation goes no further.
He asks what I tip. I tell him I tip XXXX IF he does what he's already said he will do.
That is not a demand, because if he doesn't like this, he can find another customer.
My tip is also above the average in the poll.


Alternatively, don't bother with the screening process. Just ask a boy what he's going to do. Some boys say they do X, Y & Z. Then they don't. That's dishonest and disrespectful.


Let's invert the problem:

Could somebody explain to me what merit is there in wasting hard earned money on those who do not keep promises, when there are many good honest working boys who could have the money instead ?

Is there any reason why the customer should promise to tip in full even if the boy keeps none of his promises ?

If anyone wants to criticize this post, please justify your criticism and address both questions at the start of your reply.

[Gaybutton]

making demands

No one is making demands.

Yes they are. Many are. Haven't you seen such posts? You must think I'm speaking specifically about you, which I'm not, and I am not tacitly accusing you either. Don't misunderstand my meaning.

I've seen posts on other boards in which some are adamantly saying they're making demands, they treat these boys like whores, and they brag about it. I also think we've all seen posts from people who brag about how they get away with paying these boys as little as possible. I wish those kinds of people would just stay home and jerk off to videos or something.

Those who are "demanders", I think it's wrong, demeaning, and insulting, but as long as they can continue to get away with it I doubt the "demanders" are ever going to change their ways.

Could somebody explain to me what merit is there in wasting hard earned money on those who do not keep promises

Of course there is no merit in that. There is no way to know a boy won't keep his promises until he doesn't keep his promises - assuming he is asked to make promises in the first place. I'll let a boy know what I like and if I get a favorable response I'll probably give it a try - without making him promise a thing. With me, he's not going to have to raise his right hand and swear. In my experience they have almost always performed beautifully - only very rare exceptions. In fact I always, and I mean always, tell the boys if there is something they don't like to do or don't want to do, they don't have to. Again, I have almost never gotten an "I'd rather not".

"I would prefer not to"
Herman Melville, 'Bartleby the Scrivener'

But I don't think we're talking about that, or at least I'm not. I'm talking about those who tell the boys what they're going to have to do and if they don't do it, they won't get any money. No merit in that either.

[Jun]

Yes they are. Many are. Haven't you seen such posts? You must think I'm speaking specifically about you, which I'm not. I've seen posts on other boards in which some are adamantly saying they're making demands, they treat these boys like whores, and they brag about it.

Yes. On another board, there's a troll who goes way too far. I'm sure we have the same person at the top of the list.

However, there's one hell of a difference between that and what's been discussed in this thread.
The idea here is to ask what a boy does, then when he asks what tip he's getting, making it conditional on doing what he's already said he does.
I think that's fairer than a lob sided bargain where only the customer is expected to keep promises.

I can assure you that's very effective at keeping the dishonest ones away. Such people do exist and have been referred to by other members in recent weeks.

There are probably other ways of tilting the odds in your favour. Perhaps you use some of them, either consciously or subconsciously ?

For a start, the boys who have been around for a few years are likely to survive because they deliver enough service to get repeat business.
A boy new in town is far higher risk. A first timer might not have even tested himself yet.

Finally, customers have different expectations.
Years ago, one member on another board was raving about the availability of boys in Morocco.
Morocco is a short flight from where I live, so this was interesting, but it also didn't sound right to me.
I asked what service he was getting. After asking 3 times, I found he was paying for the privilege of sucking them off & nothing else.
No thank you.

[Gaybutton]

Once again Jun has said his piece and I have said mine. I can't think of anything else to say that wouldn't be a re-hash of what we've already said - several times.

How about some others? Where are some of you gents on this?

By the way, Jun - "I'm sure we have the same person at the top of the list." I'm certain we do . . .

[Dodger]

.......The repeat dates tell you all you need to know.

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you again Jun, but "repeat dates" tell you absolutely nothing.

Many (if not most) of the working boys come from very impoverished backgrounds - have families back in their home villages they're trying to help feed - and will provide service to just about ANYONE who is willing to hand them money. This is just an undebatable fact-of life in LOS.

It's my contention that every single farang in Thailand (tourist or expat) knows what a fair tip amount is, and those who act like they don't are almost always the classic cheapskates. Being a gentleman is something that comes natural to most, but of course there's always a few who are just so cheap... self-absorbed.... and selfish that playing the role of a gentlemen is the farthest thing from their minds. Fortunately for everyone, especially the boys, farang with these character defects (bad karma) are few and far between.

How does a farang know if the boys on the scene view him as being a cheapskate? One way is if the boys working on the scene won't go off with you until you tell them ahead of time how much you're going to tip them, as rare as this is in Thailand. Another way of course is when the boys fall short of providing the level of service you expect...another extremely rare event in Thailand.

We can summarize the conclusions drawn in this long and drawn-out discussion we're having quite simply: Tip good (within reason)...be a gentleman...and enjoy yourself. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

mai pen rai

[Jun]

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you again Jun, but "repeat dates" tell you absolutely nothing.

Many (if not most) of the working boys come from very impoverished backgrounds - have families back in their home villages they're trying to help feed - and will provide service to just about ANYONE who is willing to hand them money. This is just an undebatable fact-of life in LOS.

Like much of your advice in this thread, that's complete BS.

1 The quote you took was referring to another board member. His most obvious repeat date posts on FB. That lad is one of those exceptionally cute lads who could pull almost any guy who likes cute lads. His FB posts show him flying around Thailand and splashing money on clothes, expensive electrical goods and even an item of jewellery costing over 40,000 baht.
He would have no difficulty in finding other customers & can probably skip a few tips. He has had other jobs with what look like large & reputable companies. He has choices.

I appreciate not all are like this, but that's the context of the quote you took.


2 You keep responding my posts with advice on how much to tip. Well, I'm already tipping above the average for the poll.
So please don't offer me any more advice.
If you want to pull others up on their tipping, try directing your advice at those who have declared they tip at the bottom of the range. Go on. Be consistent.


3 As for yourself, well, you're living miles out of town with a boyfriend.
I don't recall ever seeing you write about an off or a date from a phone app.
When you write about a bar, it's comments based on someone else's visit to that bar.
When I have asked how many boys you have had in recent years & if you have ever used the apps to meet lads from Cambodia and Laos, you dodged the questions.

So before offering even more unwanted, inaccurate & misdirected advice, how about writing about some of your recent dates ? If there are any.

Otherwise, it just sounds like "do as I say, not do as I do".

[Dodger]

....... You keep responding to my posts with advice on how much to tip. Well, I'm already tipping above the average for the poll.

Jun, I'm responding to the "topic" not "your posts", unless you say something that I totally disagree with. The information I'm sharing is intended for any/all Board members with the best interest of any newcomers in mind as always.

You don't have to justify how much you tip or how you treat the boys to me because frankly I could care less. I steer my own boat...always have...believe in the value of respect and fair-play...like sharing knowledge...and learning from my own mistakes along the way.

As you know from my comments I have little tolerance for farang who treat the boys as you've described yourself as doing, i.e. lists of sexual demands, threatening to not tip them if your sexual demands are not met, etc. These are your words not mine.

No hard feelings...just not my cup of tea.


mai pen rai

[Jun]

As you know from my comments I have little tolerance for farang who treat the boys as you've described yourself as doing, i.e. lists of sexual demands, threatening to not tip them if your sexual demands are not met, etc. These are your words not mine.

Not my words. You added the words threaten & demands. To claim I used those words is dishonest.

As explained already, I ask what they like to do and make it clear that my tip is conditional on keeping those promises.

The result of this policy is the ones I meet keep promises and get tipped well. It never gets to cutting the tip.


I note you have again avoided the topic of how many boys you're offing & if you even off Lao or Cambodian lads via the apps.

Writing about your own dates would have more substance than telling others what to do. If there are any current dates.

If you insist on telling others what to do, hunt down the ones who already said they're tipping at the lower end of the range & see how you get on harassing them.

But above all else, don't resort to claiming I have used certain words when I have not. If that's the best you can do, don't say anything else.

[Gaybutton]

Ok, that's enough bickering, arguing back and forth, and getting angry with each other. I'm stepping in and putting a stop to it - and yes, I'm guilty of it too. However, enough is enough.

Any more of it, I lock the topic.

Let's just stick with what those who wish to contribute to the topic do, without worrying about what others do and without justifying your own position. Those who have already contributed have made their own positions quite clear.

[American Teacher]

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