What do YOU CURRENTLY tip in Pattaya for short time ?

[Dodger]

.......I want you to do only what you like. I cannot be happy unless you are happy too.

Now it's my turn: I wish I would have said that.

[Jun]

In all my time, I have found no correlation between tip or the way I present myself and performance. Based on hundreds of boys from bars and online,

Exactly. I've yet to hear anyone confirmed as regularly & currently hiring boys report a correlation between tips and performance.

You also write about real experiences on your blog.

Yet we get so much advice from one individual who has never written about using the apps to meet Cambodian and Lao boys via the apps himself. So how much of that advice is relevant to the modern online dating scene ? A scene where much of the dating in Pattaya is on the apps & the majority of the boys are from Cambodia & Laos.

For example, if you meet a Cambodian lad via the apps & he's one of those who doesn't do certain things which are normally expected, most of us know that upping the tip to 1500 will not "always get great sex".

One way to fix that problem is to ask the right questions. Determine what they're genuinely willing to do before meeting.

That way, the boys who show up at your hotel will mostly be very good. All you then have to do is treat them well, have a good time & tip fairly.

[Gaybutton]

.......I want you to do only what you like. I cannot be happy unless you are happy too.

Now it's my turn: I wish I would have said that.

And, by the way, I really mean it. If they're not happy, neither am I.

[Dodger]

.......Yet we get so much advice from one individual who has never written about using the apps to meet Cambodian and Lao boys via the apps himself.

My input in this topic only has to do with the process of "tipping", and what I feel are the important factors involved in this process. If you're saying that times are different now and somehow the factors that I've talked about are no longer in play, then I would have to respectfully disagree.

My advice to anyone who is struggling in this area would be to loosen up...throw that list of demands in the trash can...stop creating all the expectations (and rules)...forget the damned tip amount...and just be yourself and let him be himself. The Thais have a much shorter way of saying this..."mai pen rai".

[Rocket]

I appreciate Dodger's idea of treating the boys in a chill, kind way. I try to be good to them and I tip well. However, these guys are not boyfriends, they’re sex workers.

I feel that some times my kindness is taken advantage of and they try to do as little as possible. Maybe I’m being selfish , but I’m paying them. And because I am, I’m not really interested in how the sex is for them. It’s what I want.

In some ways I prefer straight guys. They aren’t as moody or bitchy as the gay ones. And they do whatever it is we agreed to do. If I wasn’t paying them, I’d be more concerned about their needs and wants. But at the end of it all, I’m giving them my hard earned money.

[Gaybutton]

I’m giving them my hard earned money.

Maybe the way they have to earn money is even harder.

You'll never be able to convince me an attitude like that should be condoned.

I disagree with the attitude of "give me what I want because I'm paying you."

I have no idea what you do for a living, but who is the better worker, the person who is treated well and with respect or the person who is treated as a dime-a-dozen employee?

These boys want to be treated well and their time with the farang treated as a date. It's been my experience they give much better service if they are, rather than come to my room, take care of what I want, here's your money, and bye bye.

Don't forget - these boys are probably the reason you go to Thailand in the first place. And yet your attitude is "who cares what you want? It's only what I want that counts."

[Dodger]

I think "over-tipping" can sometimes be even worse than "under-tipping" if one isn't careful.

There's a very fine line between being generous and tipping fairly - and over tipping where you run the risk of being perceived as being naïve or an easy touch. So care is definitely needed not to cross that line.

I was guilty of doing this many times during my early years in LOS and had to learn the hard way how to control myself and manage my money better. Fortunately I had enough sense to always stay within my holiday budget and never sold the farm so-to-speak.

It took me a while to learn that the Thai boys actually respect you more if you create boundaries and let them know what your limits are - versus - playing the role of a walking ATM. It just took me about five years to figure this out.. .

[Jun]

I appreciate Dodger's idea of treating the boys in a chill, kind way. I try to be good to them and I tip well. However, these guys are not boyfriends, they’re sex workers.

I feel that some times my kindness is taken advantage of and they try to do as little as possible. Maybe I’m being selfish , but I’m paying them.

I mostly agree with this sentiment. None of the money boys would show up if you didn't pay them. So it's definitely commercial. At least for those of us still offing lads.

Some keep their promises, deliver a great service and deserve a good tip.

Others like the idea of earning over 1000 baht for doing as little as possible & not even doing what they say they do. I suspect most of those don't stay in Pattaya for long, as it's hard with no repeat customers. I don't meet this type.

So if you want good service, the first step is to filter out those who have no intention of keeping promises.
One board member appears to do that by living miles out of town with a boyfriend.
Others who are still meeting lads on the apps find their own ways to get results.

It's been several years since I've had a lad show up who doesn't keep promises.
They invariably show up with a smiling face and they do what they say they are going to do.
I also treat them with respect & they leave with a tip that's slightly above the average from the poll.

Of course, some are very good and some are just average, but in recent years, none of the type who fail to keep promises made it as far as my hotel room.

After the date, we usually swap line IDs and they typically ask for a repeat off. If they are very good, I'll see them many times.

[Rocket]

I’m giving them my hard earned money.

Maybe the way they have to earn money is even harder.

You'll never be able to convince me an attitude like that should be condoned.

I disagree with the attitude of "give me what I want because I'm paying you."

I have no idea what you do for a living, but who is the better worker, the person who is treated well and with respect or the person who is treated as a dime-a-dozen employee?

These boys want to be treated well and their time with the farang treated as a date. It's been my experience they give much better service if they are, rather than come to my room, take care of what I want, here's your money, and bye bye.

Don't forget - these boys are probably the reason you go to Thailand in the first place. And yet your attitude is "who cares what you want? It's only what I want that counts."

I think I’ve worked harder for less pay than other Americans. I’m talking about ones with a college degree. My sister makes over 200k a year. I’m friends with an ex New York City teacher that makes close to that with his pension and social security. I make a fraction of that.
It’s my own fault though, as I quit college with only one semester left for a degree. So I made my own bed and paid the price.

Also I’m paying them with after tax money. Bottom line is I worked really hard for the money I’m paying them. Let’s not get into how much more these sex workers make compared to other workers from their origins.

Having said that, I’m nice to all of them. I offer to buy them snacks at Tops market or wherever before I take them back. I tip a higher amount than the majority in the poll. I tip 1500.

Maybe I define a date different from you. But I want the sex to be what I prefer. Whether that be me topping, just oral,etc. Most are accommodating and like repeating with me. Probably because I tip better than most.

I also fall into the trap Dodger mentioned. Tipping too much. My next trip will disappoint some of them. As I plan to tip only the normal amount.

[Gaybutton]

Bottom line is I worked really hard for the money I’m paying them.

That is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with how much you make or what you do to make it. It has to do with the attitude you display, or at least come across as displaying, that making demands is perfectly ok and acceptable. Some agree with that.

As for me, I do not. If the purpose of your post is to justify that attitude, at least with me it didn't work.