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Dodger wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:21 pmthe Thai boys we're talking about are largely influenced by Buddhist teachings which start at birth
You're the one talking about Thai boys. In the modern era, they seem to be in the minority on the Pattaya scene.

On my last trip, just 16% of the boys I met were Thai. Obviously they have the same religion in the neighbouring countries, but there are still some differences in behaviour. Particularly in Cambodia.
Dodger wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:21 pmYou get what you pay for in life. Yes, it costs more to cruise entertainment venues, buy drinks, pay off fees, etc. but the type of problems you say you're having with the app boys are almost nonexistent.
You misunderstand (possibly intentionally).
I rarely have problems with boys & I suspect that's largely down to combination of the relatively good attitude of the people in SE Asia, careful selection criteria & treating them well.
On the other hand, those who never have had disappointment from a hookup probably have short memories. Or a very long time since the last MB date.

From what I see and hear, the majority of farang dating money boys these days do it via the apps.
A good proportion of them ask questions before meeting. Including very recent posts on other boards referring to this.
Also, on the boards & on the ground, there are at least as many farang who say they get better results meeting boys on apps than in bars. At least among those talking about dating in the 2020s.

It's easy to say you would do it differently.
In a world where actions speak louder than words, convincing people to do something you're not doing is more difficult.
No matter how many times you repeat it.
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Jun wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:48 pm It's easy to say you would do it differently.
Yes, incredibly easy...because I do.

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Dodger wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:53 amYes, incredibly easy...because I do.
Dodger wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:15 amI don't take boys off anymore as I have a partner
You have told us you're living with a boyfriend and haven't been actively meeting money boys for years.
Which presumably explains why you keep telling us what you "would do", rather than describing any recent experience on the money boy scene.

If you look at this board & the Sawatdee board, there are several recent comments referring to the changes in the scene over the years & people describing what they ARE doing now.
Now if you set out to off 20 different money boys in the next few weeks, I bet your views would quickly become more closely aligned with some of the other recent comments here & on the Sawatdee board (see "Kissing" thread).

To be honest, I quite like hearing stories about the bar scene of the past.
However, that's better presented as a story about the past, rather than as advice for operating in the 2020s, where so much as changed.
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Jun wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:17 pm
To be honest, I quite like hearing stories about the bar scene of the past.
However, that's better presented as a story about the past, rather than as advice for operating in the 2020s, where so much as changed.
I understand that you don't consider my opinions about the gay scene ligament because I don't off boys from the bars (or apps) anymore. All I can say is I'm sorry you feel this way, but of course that's your prerogative.

Jai and I joined a group of friends for breakfast this morning near JC. There were 5 expats including myself, and 5 Thai boys including Jai. Two of the boys are in long-term relationships with their farang counterparts similar to Jai and I, and the other 2 are bar boys who were offed the night before (1 from Boyztown and the other from M's Bar). We constantly joke around about the advantages and potential pitfalls involved with both lifestyles...but always in a humorous and lighthearted manner.

Collectively me and the others at this table (which included a previous Sunee bar owner) have over a hundred years experience on the scene over here and live in Thailand. To imagine that any of us are out-of-touch with the current gay scene is beyond laughable...regardless of our preferred lifestyles.
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Dodger wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:19 pmTo imagine that any of us are out-of-touch with the current gay scene
You're the one who said that, not me, so that observation is just a distraction.

On the other hand, when we get down to the specific matter of actually offing boys from Cambodia, Laos etc in 2024, when so much has changed, all I can say is it's easy to recognise which contributors on various boards are doing that on a regular basis. Their comments tend to reflect what I find myself.

A few things have changed since we were mostly dating Thai boys about 15 years ago.

Some people recognise that, for example over on the "Kissing" thread, on the other board.
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Jun wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:10 pm
A few things have changed since we were mostly dating Thai boys about 15 years ago.
You're kidding... :lol:
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Back to topic:

According to the Boys:

From what I hear from the boys all the time is they're just as disappointed as the rest of us are regarding the changes that have taken place on the scene since pre-covid.

Most of the boys I talk to say the decline in the sheer number of customers is hurting them the most, coupled with the fact that the customers (punters) who do come here tend to favor using the dating apps more as time moves forward and don't always tip as much...their words - not mine. The cold hard fact is that the punters these days don't tip, or spend money on them in general, anyway near as much as in the past, at the same time as immigrant sex workers are flooding the scene which of course makes it even harder for them to earn a living.

The Laotian and Cambodian sex workers have been around forever, and as we all know their numbers are increasing rapidly placing more burden on the few Thai boys who still work the scene (as their numbers dwindle). Boys from Myanmar have been showing up more frequently - a trend that's expected to continue.

According to what several Thai boys (and one bar owner) have said recently a new phrase is being coined "Fake for Pay" for the Burmese boys because apparently there's a trend where some of them are Str8 and pretend to be gay to get customers. We've all seen this occasionally in the ranks of Thai boys, but, from what they say, the Burmese boys seem to think we (gay men) won't like them unless they're gay. Maybe they're unaware of the market here for "Str8 for Pay". I thought this was interesting and will watch to see where this goes in the future.

Punters can and do take advantage of the immigrants sometimes by tipping them less which is common-talk amongst the boys. Frankly, in cases like this, they're simply being exploited by a few of the lower-class farang who slither into town. Fortunately, for them, the majority of farang they interact with tip very well (for Thai standards) and are decent people.

One of the disadvantages involved with the dating apps which more and more of the immigrant sex workers are gravitating towards - is the fact that there's no bar manager/mamasan making sure the service was delivered to expectation, which of course was/is usually the case when offing a boy from a bar which can present more risk to both parties. As I've mentioned before, most of the expats I know either have boyfriends and/or request services on the apps from boys they know and trust which helps mitigate this risk. The tourists I know who seem pleased with the dating apps and rarely have problems are the ones who so the same. I guess that only makes sense.

A final thought:

We'll probably be seeing a lot more boys from Myanmar showing up this year and it goes without saying that they've been through an extremely rough period in their lives and probably won't have two satang in their pockets to rub together. It would behoove everyone in the gay community to remain cognoscente of this...help out where we can...be generous with your tips...and if you see one wearing two different sandals take him for a walk in the market. I've already made several donations without wanting anything in return and plan to continue. It's that "Karma" thing again...555.
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I think another reason why the foreign boys may be gravitating to the hookup apps is because most do enter Thailand legally, which means they also leave the country when their visa expires. Meanwhile, if they are caught working illegally in the bars, now they've got trouble.

But if they are instead looking for customers via the apps, the chances of them ending up in any legal trouble are practically nil. Seems to me, it makes more sense for them to stick to the apps rather than the bars, although many do both.
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Gaybutton wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:17 am I think another reason why the foreign boys may be gravitating to the hookup apps is because most do enter Thailand legally, which means they also leave the country when their visa expires. Meanwhile, if they are caught working illegally in the bars, now they've got trouble.

But if they are instead looking for customers via the apps, the chances of them ending up in any legal trouble are practically nil. Seems to me, it makes more sense for them to stick to the apps rather than the bars, although many do both.
I wouldn't be surprised if those running OZ started looking for ways to weasel some tax money from boys (and girls) selling services on the apps. I imagine that would result in a lot of members entering "just looking for friends" in their profiles...555.
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Boys will usually plead poverty. In some cases, possibly most, it's genuine. In other cases, I know lads who replace their iPhone every 6 months and come from families living in a nice large house. They still claim to be poor and of course that depends on what you compare with.

My experiences of the Burmese have been in Bangkok and Yangon and have been good so far. I haven't met any in Pattaya.

As for crossing borders to work, one of my Cambodian acquaintances has moved to Yangon. Very odd.
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