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The Thailand-Cambodia border dispute
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Not that I noticed. Perhaps they figured the countries don't have advanced SAMs.
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Several photos within the article, so just click on the link:
https://tpnnational.com/2025/10/26/thai ... ald-trump/
Thailand and Cambodia Sign Joint Declaration for Peace in Malaysia, Overseen by US President Donald Trump
By Adam Judd
October 26. 2025
https://tpnnational.com/2025/10/26/thai ... ald-trump/
Thailand and Cambodia Sign Joint Declaration for Peace in Malaysia, Overseen by US President Donald Trump
By Adam Judd
October 26. 2025
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Re: The Thailand-Cambodia border dispute
Apparently reopening the Thai-Cambodia border is at least two or three months away.
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Thai PM stands firm on conditions for reopening border with Cambodia
Cambodia must first meet the four agreed-on conditions and restore ties, he says
October 28, 2025
Thailand will not reopen its border with Cambodia until Phnom Penh meets four conditions and restores diplomatic ties, Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul declared on Tuesday.
Mr Anutin made his remark in Kuala Lumpur when asked about his signing of a new peace agreement with his Cambodian counterpart there on Sunday.
The four conditions set by Thailand are, the withdrawal of heavy weaponry from the border, landmine removal, the suppression of transnational criminal syndicates including scammers, and solutions to the conflicts in border areas.
The prime minister said the withdrawal of weaponry from conflict areas started when the agreement was signed. He told Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Manet that the withdrawal must not be only a symbolic act but be concrete and quick. Then, Thailand would free 18 Cambodian soldiers being held in detention.
He also wants Cambodia to cooperate fully with landmine removal which, he said, will be done mainly by Thai experts because the mines were laid in Thai territory.
Mr Anutin said now was not the time to discuss reopening the border. After the four conditions were met, the two countries needed to restore diplomatic relations, and only then move towards the reopening of border checkpoints, he said.
“Everyone knows that the most important thing is the reopening of the border. Thailand holds to that,” Mr Anutin said.
Government spokesman Siripong Angkasakulkiat said that although withdrawal of weapons had started, Thailand wanted it to continue in all seriousness, for the safety and sake of people living in border areas.
Defence Minister Gen Nattaphon Narkphanit said at Government House that Thailand and Cambodia both began the withdrawal of weaponry on Sunday night, but it was initially only symbolic. Thailand expected Cambodia to remove its BM-21 multiple rocket launchers, he said.
During its border attacks in late July, Cambodia fired large numbers of BM-21 rockets at Thai civilian locations - communities, stores and hospitals - and caused many casualties and property damage.
According to the defence minister, Thailand plans three phases of effective weapons withdrawal over at least six weeks, and Cambodia agrees with the plan.
The first phase started on Sunday. The second would commence within three weeks and the third stage was set for the sixth week. Details of each stage were still being discussed, he said.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... h-cambodia
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Thailand Confirms Border With Cambodia Will Remain Closed Until Four Preconditions are Fully Met
By Adam Judd
October 29, 2025
Thailand will maintain its border closure with Cambodia until Phnom Penh fulfills four specific preconditions outlined in a recent peace accord and fully restores diplomatic relations, Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul stated firmly on Tuesday, October 28th, 2025.
Anutin’s declaration shows Bangkok’s insistence on concrete steps to de-escalate longstanding tensions. The two leaders signed a joint declaration on Sunday aimed at resolving border disputes, but Anutin stated that implementation must follow a sequential process starting with Cambodia’s compliance. “Thailand was not the one that violated the ceasefire conditions, so all actions must begin with Cambodia,” he told reporters, denying rumors of a November 1st reopening.
The four preconditions, as detailed by Anutin and confirmed by Thai officials, are:
1. Withdrawal of heavy weaponry: Cambodia initiated a symbolic pullback of artillery and tanks on Sunday night, observed by ASEAN envoys, but Thailand demands full, verified removal across the 817-kilometer (508-mile) frontier to ensure no further military posturing.
2. Landmine removal: Thai experts will lead clearance operations in disputed areas like Ban Nong Chan and Ban Nong Ya Kaew in Sa Kaeo province, where anti-personnel mines—allegedly laid by Cambodian forces—threaten civilians. Anutin stressed Cambodia’s cooperation is essential, with ASEAN oversight to prevent obstructions.
3. Crackdown on transnational crime, including online scams: Thailand has already severed internet links and frozen assets tied to scam syndicates in Cambodia, which have defrauded thousands, including foreigners from South Korea and China. Anutin highlighted this as a trust-building measure, noting international pressure on Phnom Penh to dismantle these operations.
4. Resolution of border area conflicts: This includes managing civilian encroachments in villages like those in Sa Kaeo and Ubon Ratchathani provinces, where Cambodia has been accused of using “human shields” during protests. Thailand plans to resettle affected Thai families and enforce lawful administration, potentially revoking disputed memoranda like MOU 43 (2000) on land demarcation if violations persist.
The border, closed in phases since June 2025 amid escalating incursions—such as unauthorized Cambodian patrols near Ta Moan Thom temple and landmine incidents—has severely impacted trade at key crossings like Aranyaprathet-Poipet. Annual cross-border commerce, valued at over 100 billion baht ($2.8 billion), has stalled, affecting garments, agriculture, and tourism, while over 1 million Cambodian migrant workers in Thailand faced deportation risks. Diplomatic ties soured further after mutual ambassador expulsions in early 2025, echoing the deadly 2008-2011 Preah Vihear clashes that killed dozens.
Defence Minister Gen. Nattaphon Narkphanit described the initial weapon withdrawal as “symbolic,” urging seriousness for border residents’ safety. Government spokesman Siripong Angkasakulkiat added that Thailand still holds 18 Cambodian soldiers in custody as leverage, to be released post-compliance. ASEAN Secretary-General Kao Kim Hourn welcomed the joint declaration but called for swift dialogue to safeguard regional stability.
https://thepattayanews.com/2025/10/29/t ... fully-met/
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Thai PM stands firm on conditions for reopening border with Cambodia
Cambodia must first meet the four agreed-on conditions and restore ties, he says
October 28, 2025
Thailand will not reopen its border with Cambodia until Phnom Penh meets four conditions and restores diplomatic ties, Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul declared on Tuesday.
Mr Anutin made his remark in Kuala Lumpur when asked about his signing of a new peace agreement with his Cambodian counterpart there on Sunday.
The four conditions set by Thailand are, the withdrawal of heavy weaponry from the border, landmine removal, the suppression of transnational criminal syndicates including scammers, and solutions to the conflicts in border areas.
The prime minister said the withdrawal of weaponry from conflict areas started when the agreement was signed. He told Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Manet that the withdrawal must not be only a symbolic act but be concrete and quick. Then, Thailand would free 18 Cambodian soldiers being held in detention.
He also wants Cambodia to cooperate fully with landmine removal which, he said, will be done mainly by Thai experts because the mines were laid in Thai territory.
Mr Anutin said now was not the time to discuss reopening the border. After the four conditions were met, the two countries needed to restore diplomatic relations, and only then move towards the reopening of border checkpoints, he said.
“Everyone knows that the most important thing is the reopening of the border. Thailand holds to that,” Mr Anutin said.
Government spokesman Siripong Angkasakulkiat said that although withdrawal of weapons had started, Thailand wanted it to continue in all seriousness, for the safety and sake of people living in border areas.
Defence Minister Gen Nattaphon Narkphanit said at Government House that Thailand and Cambodia both began the withdrawal of weaponry on Sunday night, but it was initially only symbolic. Thailand expected Cambodia to remove its BM-21 multiple rocket launchers, he said.
During its border attacks in late July, Cambodia fired large numbers of BM-21 rockets at Thai civilian locations - communities, stores and hospitals - and caused many casualties and property damage.
According to the defence minister, Thailand plans three phases of effective weapons withdrawal over at least six weeks, and Cambodia agrees with the plan.
The first phase started on Sunday. The second would commence within three weeks and the third stage was set for the sixth week. Details of each stage were still being discussed, he said.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... h-cambodia
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Thailand Confirms Border With Cambodia Will Remain Closed Until Four Preconditions are Fully Met
By Adam Judd
October 29, 2025
Thailand will maintain its border closure with Cambodia until Phnom Penh fulfills four specific preconditions outlined in a recent peace accord and fully restores diplomatic relations, Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul stated firmly on Tuesday, October 28th, 2025.
Anutin’s declaration shows Bangkok’s insistence on concrete steps to de-escalate longstanding tensions. The two leaders signed a joint declaration on Sunday aimed at resolving border disputes, but Anutin stated that implementation must follow a sequential process starting with Cambodia’s compliance. “Thailand was not the one that violated the ceasefire conditions, so all actions must begin with Cambodia,” he told reporters, denying rumors of a November 1st reopening.
The four preconditions, as detailed by Anutin and confirmed by Thai officials, are:
1. Withdrawal of heavy weaponry: Cambodia initiated a symbolic pullback of artillery and tanks on Sunday night, observed by ASEAN envoys, but Thailand demands full, verified removal across the 817-kilometer (508-mile) frontier to ensure no further military posturing.
2. Landmine removal: Thai experts will lead clearance operations in disputed areas like Ban Nong Chan and Ban Nong Ya Kaew in Sa Kaeo province, where anti-personnel mines—allegedly laid by Cambodian forces—threaten civilians. Anutin stressed Cambodia’s cooperation is essential, with ASEAN oversight to prevent obstructions.
3. Crackdown on transnational crime, including online scams: Thailand has already severed internet links and frozen assets tied to scam syndicates in Cambodia, which have defrauded thousands, including foreigners from South Korea and China. Anutin highlighted this as a trust-building measure, noting international pressure on Phnom Penh to dismantle these operations.
4. Resolution of border area conflicts: This includes managing civilian encroachments in villages like those in Sa Kaeo and Ubon Ratchathani provinces, where Cambodia has been accused of using “human shields” during protests. Thailand plans to resettle affected Thai families and enforce lawful administration, potentially revoking disputed memoranda like MOU 43 (2000) on land demarcation if violations persist.
The border, closed in phases since June 2025 amid escalating incursions—such as unauthorized Cambodian patrols near Ta Moan Thom temple and landmine incidents—has severely impacted trade at key crossings like Aranyaprathet-Poipet. Annual cross-border commerce, valued at over 100 billion baht ($2.8 billion), has stalled, affecting garments, agriculture, and tourism, while over 1 million Cambodian migrant workers in Thailand faced deportation risks. Diplomatic ties soured further after mutual ambassador expulsions in early 2025, echoing the deadly 2008-2011 Preah Vihear clashes that killed dozens.
Defence Minister Gen. Nattaphon Narkphanit described the initial weapon withdrawal as “symbolic,” urging seriousness for border residents’ safety. Government spokesman Siripong Angkasakulkiat added that Thailand still holds 18 Cambodian soldiers in custody as leverage, to be released post-compliance. ASEAN Secretary-General Kao Kim Hourn welcomed the joint declaration but called for swift dialogue to safeguard regional stability.
https://thepattayanews.com/2025/10/29/t ... fully-met/
Re: The Thailand-Cambodia border dispute
Surely this is only permanently solved if there is a process to define the border ?
As already mentioned, the UK government has very inconvenient 50 km "don't travel" advice each side of the border.
The previous post mentions BM-21 rockets & Wikipedia says these have a 20 km range. The odds of being hurt by one are lower than the odds of being run over crossing the road.
As already mentioned, the UK government has very inconvenient 50 km "don't travel" advice each side of the border.
The previous post mentions BM-21 rockets & Wikipedia says these have a 20 km range. The odds of being hurt by one are lower than the odds of being run over crossing the road.
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Yes, but don't forget about medical insurance. If something happens and you are within the area officially you are supposed to keep away from, good luck getting your insurance company to pay.
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So far, at least from what I've seen reported, the root cause of the border conflict has not been addressed making it impossible to get this thing resolved and reopen the borders.
The root cause of the problem is a conflict between the topographical maps that both countries are using to define their respective borders. With Thailand relying on a map that was produced by the U.S. Army about 70 years ago (series L701) - while Cambodia is relying on a map produced by the French over a hundred years ago. Both sides agree that there's a distinct difference in mapping scale and origin which is the core of the disagreement.
According to Thailand, all 4 phases of the recently signed Peace Declaration must be accomplished before this dispute will be considered resolved, with the fourth phase of the Declaration saying that the cause of the border dispute (root cause) has to be resolved before the borders will be reopened.
This matter was reviewed at the International Court acting as arbitrators years ago to no avail. Why there wasn't an order issued by the court to have both countries maps redrawn using identical scales is a mystery.
The only way to resolve this conflict is to redraw the maps. This would have to be a joint task - monitored by a notable third-party and authorized by the International Court.
What do you think the odds are of this actually happening?
The root cause of the problem is a conflict between the topographical maps that both countries are using to define their respective borders. With Thailand relying on a map that was produced by the U.S. Army about 70 years ago (series L701) - while Cambodia is relying on a map produced by the French over a hundred years ago. Both sides agree that there's a distinct difference in mapping scale and origin which is the core of the disagreement.
According to Thailand, all 4 phases of the recently signed Peace Declaration must be accomplished before this dispute will be considered resolved, with the fourth phase of the Declaration saying that the cause of the border dispute (root cause) has to be resolved before the borders will be reopened.
This matter was reviewed at the International Court acting as arbitrators years ago to no avail. Why there wasn't an order issued by the court to have both countries maps redrawn using identical scales is a mystery.
The only way to resolve this conflict is to redraw the maps. This would have to be a joint task - monitored by a notable third-party and authorized by the International Court.
What do you think the odds are of this actually happening?
Re: The Thailand-Cambodia border dispute
I'm not forgetting that. I already mentioned it earlier in the thread. The no-travel zone includes Chantaburi and will probably disrupt a trip I have planned.
Agreed. It's obvious that they need to tackle the root cause. However, as with many border disputes in Asia, neither country is prepared to budge one inch.
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"The US has put pressure on Thailand to recommit to a ceasefire with Cambodia, warning trade talks could be halted as Washington seeks to keep a Donald Trump-brokered truce agreement from falling apart."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... of-tariffs
I suspect the disruption to the economies of both countries from lost trade & travel between them is already orders of magnitude higher than the value of the land under dispute. However, that is only a guess, as no one reporting on the dispute ever quantifies exactly how much land is disputed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... of-tariffs
I suspect the disruption to the economies of both countries from lost trade & travel between them is already orders of magnitude higher than the value of the land under dispute. However, that is only a guess, as no one reporting on the dispute ever quantifies exactly how much land is disputed.