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Alex wrote:The Donald's "locker room banter" should give Hillary plenty of ammo.
I think the smartest thing she can do is not bring it up at all. Let the audience do that. With Trump's lunacy, I don't think she even needs more ammo.
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Alex wrote:As for what was meant to be banter more than 10 years ago making the news, I'm almost sympathetic with him.
If this were his only episode of this inexcusable behavior, it might be forgivable, but this is not his first, nor last. It illustrates his character, or lack thereof.
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I fear to think what other countries are thinking when watching this political circus.
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Alex wrote:As for what was meant to be banter more than 10 years ago making the news, I'm almost sympathetic with him.
If this were his only episode of this inexcusable behavior, it might be forgivable, but this is not his first, nor last. It illustrates his character, or lack thereof.
I agree with lvdkeyes. This wasn't just banter and behavior that took place 10 years ago and then went into hibernation. This kind of behavior typifies Trump and obviously has typified at least ten years - probably much longer than that. Trump has turned out to be his own worst enemy.

Probably "very very much longer, believe me. It is very very unfair to publish this now, after such a very very long time. Very very unfair. I am very very upset. I was very very wrong. I made a very very bad mistake. I thought women would like it. After all, my hands are very very big. And that is very very true.".

And I wouldn't be surprised if the same goes for his two sons, Uday and Qusay . . .

When he tries to counter it by saying Bill Clinton said much worse, I'm reminded of when I was a child and tried to get out of trouble or at least minimize it by saying, "He did it too." It didn't work then and it's not going to work for Trump now.

Have a look at the comments from Republicans on the CBS News site: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans ... -released/

How would you like to be a history teacher, about 100 years from now, trying to explain the Trump campaign to students?

I hope this latest revelation, along with the next debate, will render Trump's campaign essentially dead. I'm reminded of what Bette Davis said after her arch rival, Joan Crawford, died. "One should never speak bad about the dead, only good. Joan Crawford is dead. Good!"
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The Washington Post broke the story and the Trump video. It was the Washington Post's Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein who broke the Watergate story which eventually brought down Richard Nixon. It seems the same is going to happen to Donald Trump. Many politicians in his own party are turning on Trump in the most bizarre presidential campaign in US history.

I like the logic stated in this article by Doug Deason. "We are a nation that believes in redemption and second chances, right?" Certainly, Doug. By your logic Charles Manson should have been released years ago and given a second chance. Timothy McVeigh and Ted Bundy never should have been executed. Instead they should have been released and given a second chance. And don't forget Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Doesn't he deserve a second chance too? Why not release every convicted felon - provided they say, "Sorry. I promise not to do it again" but they gotta say it like they mean it.

I say repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution - the anti third term amendment. Why should we limit a great man like Donald Trump, who is going to do wonderful things for the USA, to only two terms as president?

Do any board members who had intended to vote for Trump still intend to do so? If yes, WHY?
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A growing list of Republicans call for Trump to step down

By Jenna Johnson and Robert Costa

The Washington Post
October 8

One day after video emerged of the Republican presidential nominee vulgarly bragging about forcing himself on women and one day before a likely pivotal presidential debate, the Republican Party faced this critical question: What could they do about Donald Trump?

Amid wide condemnation of comments Trump made in 2005, which he now says that he regrets, Rep. Martha Roby — who represents a strongly Republican district in Alabama — said she could no longer vote for Trump and she urged him to step down.

“As disappointed as I’ve been with his antics throughout this campaign, I thought supporting the nominee was the best thing for our country and our party,” Roby said in a statement. “Now, it is abundantly clear that the best thing for our country and for our party is for Trump to step aside and allow a responsible, respectable Republican to lead the ticket.”

A few other Republicans have suggested that Trump should do the same, including Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Mark Kirk of Illinois, along with former presidential candidates George Pataki, Jon Huntsman and Carly Fiorina. Often in cutting off support for Trump these Republicans rallied around Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire tweeted on Saturday morning that she would not vote for Trump and would instead write in Pence.

Trump told The Washington Post on Saturday that he would not drop out of the race under any circumstances.

“I’d never withdraw. I’ve never withdrawn in my life,” Trump said in a phone call from his home in Trump Tower in New York on Saturday morning. “No, I’m not quitting this race. I have tremendous support.”

“People are calling and saying, ‘Don’t even think about doing anything else but running,” Trump said when asked about GOP defections. “You have to see what’s going on. The real story is that people have no idea the support. I don’t know how that’s going to boil down but people have no idea the support.”

With just a month until Election Day, experts say it would be logistically nearly impossible for the Republican Party to replace its nominee, and many Republicans seem to be waiting to see what happens in the coming hours.

The Post reported on Friday that a hot microphone captured a conversation Trump had in 2005 during the filming of an episode of “Access Hollywood.” The Post reported on these comments on Friday afternoon, posting video and audio of Trump bragging in vulgar terms about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women. Trump’s comments were not just lewd but also seemed to promote sexual assault.

“And when you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump said at one point. “You can do anything. . . . Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.”

At another point, Trump pops Tic Tacs in his mouth before meeting a soap opera star: “Just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”

Trump’s initial response to the tape was to call it “locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago” and to say that “Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course.” At that point, Trump apologized “if anyone was offended.”

That prompted several prominent Republicans to demand that Trump fully apologize for the comments, often referencing their own wives, mothers, sisters and daughters in statements that stopped just short of retracting their endorsements of Trump.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan uninvited Trump to a campaign event in Wisconsin on Saturday and said in statement that he was “sickened by what I heard,” and he hopes “Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests.”

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that “Trump needs to apologize directly to women and girls everywhere, and take full responsibility for the utter lack of respect for women shown in his comments on that tape.” House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said “there is absolutely no place for that sort of conduct or language in our society.”

Trump delivered an apology in a video statement released well after midnight. Trump took responsibility for the comments, said he was “wrong” and apologized. But he also called the remarks “a distraction” and launched a fresh attack on Hillary Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, whom he accused of saying or doing worse.

“We will discuss this more in the coming days,” Trump said at the end of the video. “See you at the debate on Sunday.”

On Saturday morning, it remained unclear if that apology satisfied party leaders and the country waited to see what would happen next. Meanwhile, elected Republicans slowly started pulling their endorsements of Trump and a few publicly called for him to step down.

On Friday night, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, retracted his endorsement of Trump after discussing the issue with his wife and deciding that Trump’s comments were “intolerable.” Gov. Gary Herbert (R-Utah), who is also up for re-election, announced on Twitter Friday night that he could no longer support the top of the ticket. Ayotte of New Hampshire tweeted on Saturday morning that she would not vote for Trump.

“I cannot and will not support a candidate for president who brags about degrading and assaulting women,” Ayotte said in a statement, adding that she will write-in Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

Republicans who have long fought Trump’s candidacy — or avoided taking a stance — erupted in anger, demanding that Trump finally step aside.

Kirk, of Illinois, who unendorsed Trump in June and is running an uphill reelection race, called on Trump to drop out so the GOP could “engage rules for emergency replacement.” Lee of Utah, one of very few Republican senators who never endorsed Trump, called for the nominee to “step aside” and asked conservatives to find a new candidate.

“It’s occurred to me on countless occasions today that if anyone spoke to my wife, my daughter, my mother or any of my five sisters the way Mr. Trump has spoken to women, I wouldn’t hire that person. I wouldn’t hire that person, wouldn’t want to be associated with that person,” Lee said in a video filmed at his home in Utah. “And, I certainly don’t think I would feel comfortable hiring that person to be the leader of the free world.”

Fiorina, a former technology company chief executive who unsuccessfully ran for president, said on Saturday morning that “Trump does not represent me or my party.” She called on Trump to “step aside” and for the party to replace him with Pence.

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said in a statement that “the appropriate next step may be for him to reexamine his candidacy.”

Trump said in a statement he planned to spend Saturday preparing for Sunday’s presidential debate with the help of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama and GOP chairman Reince Priebus, who on Friday said that no one should ever talk about women the way that Trump did in 2005.

Saturday morning, Trump broke his public silence and tweeted: “Certainly has been an interesting 24 hours!”

Meanwhile, Trump’s 2005 comments played again and again on cable news Friday night and Saturday morning, upstaging even a dangerous hurricane. Trump’s surrogates followed his lead on Twitter and in cable news interviews and quickly faced an angry backlash. After Trump’s apology aired on CNN early Saturday morning, a panel of pro- and anti-Trump commentators erupted in a yelling match centered around Trump having said that women let me do anything: “Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything,” he said.

“This is a man consistently disgusted me from the first day of the campaign, and I think that every single Republican is going to have to answer the question: What did you do the day you saw the tape about this man boasting about grabbing a woman’s p---y?” said Ana Navarro, a conservative commentator who has long opposed Trump.

Trump supporter Scottie Nell Hughes jumped in: “Would you stop saying that word? My daughter is listening.”

”You know what Scottie?” Navarro said. “Don’t tell me you’re offended when I say p---y, but you’re not offended when Donald Trump says it. I’m not running for president he is. Don’t act outraged and offended when I say the word when you’re not offended by the man you’re supporting. That’s absurd.”

Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a member of the party leadership who is facing a tough reelection battle, said Saturday that Trump’s comments were “absolutely unacceptable” and that the nominee needed to apologize “in a way that people believe he’s sorry.” Blunt said he had not seen Trump’s midnight apology video, and dismissed the idea that Trump could step aside 30 days before the election to make way for another nominee.

“I think that’s an unrealistic solution,” said Blunt. “The devastation of Obamacare, the out-of-control regulators, the foreign policy that our friends don’t trust us, make a third Obama term an unacceptable alternative.”

Asked if he would vote for Trump, Blunt asked: “Didn’t I just say that?”

“She is an unacceptable way forward,” he explained. “We don’t need to make this harder than it is. We’ve got to change things.”

Top fundraisers and major money players exchanged outraged texts and emails. Some announced to their friends they were done backing Trump, while others took a wait-and-see approach, uncertain the impact the latest revelations would have in a campaign that has already seen previous standards of decorum repeatedly breached. Many spoke wistfully of Pence, pondering whether there could be a scenario in which he replaced Trump as the nominee.

Others dismissed the episode as a manufactured media story.

“It’s just CNN and the press making a big deal out of nothing,” said Dallas investor Doug Deason. “Anybody who is surprised about that or appalled or shocked is disingenuous. People knew that Trump was like that in those days. There’s probably more of it out there. He’s not like that anymore. He is a changed guy. We are a nation that believes in redemption and second chances, right? I don’t think he’s been that way for a very long time.”

Trump allies dismissed the notion that he would bow out of the race

“I would be astounded if Trump would ever give up the fight at this point in time,” said Ed Rollins, senior strategist for the pro-Trump Great America PAC. But he said Trump needed offer a more full-throated apology – and his team needs to quickly assess how to handle further comments that could now surface.

In the immediate, however, the controversy could freeze a final tranche of big donations that were set to flow to super PACs such as Great America PAC.

“We are in a very precarious place when it comes to raising money,” said Rollins, who has been counting on contributions that have been pledged but have yet to materialize.

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What I would like to see is that some of Trump's victims muster up the courage to speak out about him touching their p... "uninvited". Maybe one of them could attend tonight's town hall meeting debate. Alright, I'm dreaming.
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Alex wrote:What I would like to see is that some of Trump's victims muster up the courage to speak out about him touching their p... "uninvited.
I think the people who will be in attendance at the Town Hall were pre-selected some time ago. I don't think it's the kind of thing where people can just line up and it's first come, first served. Unless one of his victims is in the audience by sheer coincidence, it won't happen - at least not at the Town Hall.

I have a feeling that unless the media is able to uncover just who are Trump's victims, they probably won't speak out. Too embarrassing - unless of course enough money is offered for their statements.

It doesn't matter much now. Even top Republicans are not only repudiating any further support for Trump, they are also openly saying Trump can't possibly win now. They are hoping Pence will become their candidate, even if it has to be by write-in voting.

Even if Trump wants to withdraw, it may already be logistically too late for him to be able to withdraw. In some states the deadline for withdrawing from the ballot has already passed. In some states ballots have already been printed up and it's too late and too costly to print up a whole new batch. People who already voted for Trump via early voting can't be asked to cast a new ballot. It doesn't work that way. It's not "vote early and often."

Even if Pence becomes the GOP's presidential candidate today, I don't give him much chance of actually defeating Hillary Clinton when the election is now less than a month away. The only debate he has been in was the vice presidential debate, and he didn't exactly come across as the next Ronald Reagan. No time left to put together a true campaign.

I think the best the Republicans can even hope for now is governors and a Republican controlled Congress. I think Trump has effectively destroyed the Republican party for the foreseeable future and, as far as I'm concerned, if that is the case, good!

Who knows? Maybe Trump has been a closet Democrat all along and his secret goal from the start was to get Hillary elected. If that is the case, he has succeeded fabulously - "very very" fabulously.
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This subject has been discussed Ad nauseum....The only thing that can change is Hillary becoming deathly ill before she is sworn in....The only part of real interest is to see how her election will effect the congressional elections.
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I always worry about the unthinkable, but I also worry about the consquences of a Clinton victory. I don't envisage Trump gracefully conceding and I have concerns that the unhinged Trump supporters will act out. I hope I'm wrong, but are we in for civil unrest as a consequence of this election?
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Undaunted wrote:This subject has been discussed Ad nauseum
Perhaps so, but when even the High Panjandrums of the Republican party are saying they won't vote for Trump and they want him to quit, that's too good to pass up. I'm all set for more "nauseum."

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