Nationality of Boys & Performance

[Dodger]

.......Nobody forced him to be a prostitute and I expect him to do his job and do it well if he wants a really good tip and/or wants me to be a repeat customer. If he doesn't then I have no reason to tip beyond standard if even that.

I don't disagree with the points you're making at all - but in all honesty I've had such good luck with the boys in Thailand over the years that I rarely, if ever, encountered a situation where I was dissatisfied with a boys service. As far as I'm concerned if you're jai dee and they know you are a good tipper the service will be great - but if a farang is not jai dee (bad karma) and/or has a reputation as being a cheapskate the service won't always be so great. Simple as that.

I remember being with a new boy in town once who, according to Beer when he still worked as mamasan at KAOS, was above the legal age...but barely. He was an absolute doll but obviously inexperienced...shaking in his sandals...but after a while calmed down and seemed to be enjoying himself. No acrobatics that night, nor was there any boom-boom-boom, but I enjoyed the interaction just the same.

I remember tipping him 2,000 baht which was 500 baht more than normal and he was openly delighted. I felt good about putting some much-needed money in his pockets and off he went. I don't remember ever offing him again for the mere fact that I prefer a bottom-boy with a bit more experience, but the extra 500 baht didn't break me and I felt it was going to a worthy cause.

I agree that if they choose this type of work they need to deliver...but again, I was repeatedly amazed at how well they all delivered. If I ever had a disappointing sexual experience chances are it was because of my own sexual performance - not theirs. I can blame 100 Pipers for that...

[Jun]

Laos is ranked as one of the poorest countries on earth with a GDP somewhere around U.S. 15 billion. Where Vietnam with its growing middle-class enjoys a GDP of around U.S. 468 billion with a low unemployment rate @ 2.24 % as well.

Whilst there is something in that, you need to consider gdp per capita. Total gdp is meaningless.
The Vietnamese gdp per capita is well below Thai levels. Although above Lao levels.

As for tipping, I gather you're not tipping at all these days, since you don't hire boys any more.

I tend to agree with Gaybutton. They choose to do the job. I'll tip the good ones well. I try to avoid hiring the bad ones, but see no reason why those should be tipped well.

[Gaybutton]

If I ever had a disappointing sexual experience chances are it was because of my own sexual performance - not theirs. I can blame 100 Pipers for that...

Not just your own performance or sobriety (or lack of sobriety). I believe, and over the years experience has taught me, how well you treat the boy has more influence over his performance than any other factor. If the boy is having a good time, is truly enjoying his time with me, and feels more as if he is on a date rather than merely with just another typical customer, then I too almost always get an excellent performance in - uhhhh, private chambers . . . And he is going to be well tipped for it.

I have zero respect for farang who treat these boys as if they are scum and then tip as little as they can get away with, but unfortunately some of them do.

[Jun]

I have zero respect for farang who treat these boys as if they are scum and then tip as little as they can get away with, but unfortunately some of them do.

I'd imagine if that happens, the boys would spread the word rapidly. Hopefully.

There is of course, one who pollutes another part of the internet with his stories. However, there it's difficult to separate fact from fiction & that's a matter for discussion elsewhere.

[Dodger]

I believe, and over the years experience has taught me, how well you treat the boy has more influence over his performance than any other factor.

Absolutely!

Your statement isn't only true, but very profound as well.

A high percentage of the working boys never even contemplated becoming a prostitute, let alone understand the perceptions that many farang have about prostitutes before they enter the scene, although, at the same time, seem to have inherited the gift of knowing how to perform (regardless if they're gay or not), while always presenting themselves in a polite and humble manner in the process. Not always easy for a boy who was spawned in some jungle village to learn how to please a star-spangled alien who's old enough to be his father or grandfather while naked in bed - but they do it.

If the boy is treated with an equal amount of respect and the farang is polite and humble with good karma (not demanding and/or totally self-centered) chances are it will be a very positive interaction - with a success rate that I put somewhere around 99%. I won't even talk about showing compassion by tipping well because most farang punters, especially those who have traveled up-country, understand very clearly why this is important.

Evan with the large age and cultural divides between us it's amazing how many lasting friendships can be cultivated. It's all about "Karma and Compassion"...their words not mine.

[Gaybutton]

Another point I've made many times over the years, and this seems like an appropriate moment to repeat it - The boys are the primary reason most gay farang go to Thailand in the first place. Some might do well to remember that when it comes to tipping these boys. Just getting to Thailand is very expensive, they stay in good hotels, eat good meals, drink plenty of booze, and yet try to save a little money by trying to tip these boys a little as possible, whether when taking them off or calling a boy over to sit with him. And some not only do that, but mistreat the boys as well.

Do I need to specify which part of that is on - and has been on for years - my "I Don't Get It" list?

[Jun]

I suspect you're preaching to the converted here.

[Gaybutton]

I suspect you're preaching to the converted here.

People are going to do as they please no matter how much I or anybody else "preaches". The sad part is those who really ought to "hear" what is being "preached" are the ones least likely to pay any attention to it and most likely to ridicule it. I don't truly expect anyone to change their behavior as a result of reading these messages. Nevertheless I, for one, will still say my piece.

[Jun]

Well, it's not difficult to work out that treating people well is usually the right thing to do and is often reciprocated.

For those who fail to do it, whether farang, business owners or for that matter, boys, the skill is to learn how to identify & avoid them.

I recall meeting one lad in the old Fresh Boys gogo bar. He told me he had been previously working in Classic Boys (Bangkok), but the mamasan wanted 2000 baht off him after he took a holiday. So he simply moved to a different bar. I'm not surprised, as the management at that bar were particularly odious. I strongly approved.

So just like anyone, boys are capable of looking after their own interests and moving elsewhere

[Rocket]

Well, here is a message I received from a boy who works in a jomtien bar. I think I might use it when I write my book called “ How to receive good karma from Asian Men”.

I’ve seen him for a couple weeks, but told him my boyfriend was coming soon. He wasn’t happy. I always tipped him well and was as nice as I can be. He’s sexy and young, but very moody and has that “ Asian whine “. Always complaining about something. He’s hungry, the lights too bright, water isn’t cold,etc. I just thought fit the discussion of karma. Maybe he thinks I have a jai dam( black heart).