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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by gerefan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:12 am

Walking around Bangkok for the last few days lots of masseurs are sitting outside their parlours wearing these masks. You can’t tell whether they are sexy or not, so I guess business is going down.
Was at a virtually deserted Babylon on Saturday. Nobody was wearing a mask.
Some should!

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Post by Gaybutton » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:34 am

WHO is saying these travel and trade bans are unnecessary. Obviously I personally have no scientific basis to challenge that, but at least for now I agree with the restrictions if, for no other reason, suppose the travel bans were rescinded and hordes of Chinese travelers start showing up again. What happens once they get where they're going? Most likely they'll be treated similarly to the way lepers were treated during ancient times. I wonder how many Chinese would even want to travel to foreign countries right now if they have any idea how they'll be treated.

Until the spread of this disease is stopped or a reliable vaccine becomes available, and inexpensive enough so that everyone can afford it, the Chinese are going to be stigmatized. Even if it is announced tomorrow that the disease has been fully conquered, Chinese travelers are probably still going to be stigmatized for years until this disease is largely forgotten.

Once this disease is finally stopped, all we'll need to do is wait until the next pandemic puts in its appearance. If things go the way they have in the past, it's only a question of time. The clock is ticking . . .
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China travel bans spread despite WHO advice

Vietnam among countries imposing blanket ban as virus fears mount

February 1, 2020

Governments and airlines worldwide are suspending travel to virus-stricken China despite World Health Organization advice that such drastic measures aren’t necessary.

Australia on Saturday joined the United States in denying entry to non-citizens travelling from China. Israel also said it would refuse entry to foreign nationals coming from the country.

Vietnam halted all air travel to China, Italy banned incoming flights, the first European Union country to do so, and Qatar Airways became the first Middle East carrier to suspend flights to China.

With confirmed cases nearing 12,000 and deaths in China at 259 as of Saturday, countries are seeking to keep anyone who might have been exposed to the potentially lethal virus away. But the moves run counter to the recommendation of the WHO, which said on Thursday that it could demand scientific justification from countries that go beyond its guidance not to restrict travel.

Anxiety has escalated with more evidence that people may transmit the disease without obvious telltale signs of infection, such as coughing, sneezing and a fever. Some data has emerged suggesting that patients’ diarrhoea may pose a risk of contagion.

The WHO declared the virus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday. The move allows the agency to recommend travel and trade measures for specific countries, regions and cities that its member states usually follow, despite their economic consequences.

In this case, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus specifically discouraged any such measures.

“The WHO doesn’t recommend and actually opposes any restrictions for travel and trade or other measures against China,” he said, while praising China’s response to the outbreak. “If anyone is thinking about taking measures, it’s going to be wrong.”

But the steady stream of announcements coming from governments and airlines around the world suggests not many people share his view.

Vietnam suspended all China flights, effective immediately, as part of “strengthening measures” against the outbreak, its civil aviation authority said on Saturday.

The national carrier Vietnam Airlines and the budget airline Jetstar Pacific said they would stop flying to mainland China as well as Hong Kong and Taiwan.

An AFP correspondent on a flight from Taiwan to Vietnam was among 98 passengers told to disembark just as the announcement went public.

“The decision is ridiculous and unacceptable,” Vietnamese tourist Doan Thi Ngoc Diep told AFP after leaving the plane.

In Australia, Qantas Airways said it would suspend its two direct flight routes to mainland China from Feb 9 in response to travel restrictions imposed by some countries.

The national carrier’s direct flights from Sydney to Beijing and Sydney to Shanghai will be halted until March 29, it said on Saturday.

Cebu Air, the Philippines’ largest budget carrier, said it would halt all China flights from Sunday. The suspensions will last until March 29.

Delta Air Lines and American Airlines have become the first US carriers to suspend all flights to China. Delta said its suspension would last from Feb 6 through April 30, while American has halted flights from Saturday until March 27.

Earlier, the Air Line Pilots Association secured agreements with United Airlines and Delta to allow pilots to decline to fly to China if they have concerns about travelling there, according to union representatives.

European carriers including British Airways and Air France had already halted flights to China.

Vietnam reported its sixth confirmed infection, a 25-year-old female hotel receptionist who had contact with two Chinese men who tested positive for the virus, according to the health ministry.

Authorities in the south-central province of Quang Ngai ordered industrial parks to place about 300 Chinese workers under a 14-day quarantine and test them for the virus, the VnExpress news website reported.

Papua New Guinea, with limited resources to deal with a major public-health threat, has gone further than nearly any other country: it has shut its air and seaports to all foreign travellers coming from Asia. It also shut its only land border with the Indonesia-controlled province of West Papua.

Indonesia will evacuate 245 of its nationals living in Wuhan and other towns in Hubei province, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said. They have undergone tests and been declared free of coronavirus, she said.

The Hong Kong government has found 49 people from Hubei after searching about 500 hotels, and will send them to quarantine centres or help them leave the city, according to Sophia Chan, secretary for food and health. About 30 of them have either left or plan to depart Hong Kong, she said.

China will require those returning to Hubei to get approval from local prevention bureaus first, according to the provincial government’s official WeChat account.

The Hubei provincial government has extended the Lunar New Year holiday break to Feb 13 as it seeks to curb the outbreak that first emerged in Wuhan.

South Korea confirmed another case of coronavirus, bringing the total there to 12.

The country evacuated 333 citizens from Wuhan in a second charter flight that landed in Seoul on Saturday. About seven of those on the flight showed symptoms associated with the virus and were sent to hospital, the report said.

In Japan, three more returnees from Wuhan have tested positive for the virus, the health ministry said.

They are among the Japanese nationals who returned on government-chartered flights earlier in the week and are in addition to 17 people already found to have been infected.

Russia said it would evacuate more than 2,500 of its citizens holidaying on China’s Hainan island, far from the epicentre of the virus.

In the United States, the government has put about 200 US citizens repatriated from Wuhan under legal quarantine at March Air Reserve Base in Southern California. The group includes State Department personnel, family members, children and other Americans. It’s the first time such a policy has been used in the US since the 1960s, when a quarantine order was issued to stop the spread of smallpox.

The economic impact of the health crisis is expected to be substantial, with one report predicting automobile output will fall by 32%. Plant closings that last into mid-March would cut production by 1.7 million cars, the research group IHS Markit said.

Expectations were already bleak as the year began, with the firm predicting a 10% drop in first-quarter output.

The potential hit in lost global growth could total $160 billion, according to Warwick McKibbin, a professor of economics at Australian National University. The effect of this outbreak could be three to four times larger than the blow from Sars.

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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by Undaunted » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:47 am

Thailand confirms first human to human infection:

https://pattayaone.news/136736-2/


Looking on the bright side:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... -stay-home
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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by Gaybutton » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:47 am

Undaunted wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:47 am
Looking on the bright side:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... -stay-home
The last paragraph of that article says:
The WHO on Friday upgraded the coronavirus outlook to an international concern in light of the rising death toll in China and reports of more infected people in more than 20 other countries. And while it said it did not think travel bans were necessary, numerous airlines have suspended or reduced flights to and from China.
That makes it seem to me that the WHO is contradicting itself. If the virus is now an international problem, why would they say the travel bans are not necessary? It is common knowledge that the virus got its start in China and now there are thousands of cases and hundreds of deaths. How do they think the virus managed to spread to other countries? The virus didn't walk to other countries. It was brought by infected Chinese.

While the vast majority of Chinese don't have the disease and are not carrying it, still it seems absurd to me for Chinese to be traveling, even within China, until this disease is brought under full control.

In my opinion, first contain and eradicate the disease, then rescind the travel bans. First one, then the other.

I hate to admit it, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm with Undaunted in that, for us, a silver lining on the cloud is now there are hardly any tour buses plaguing traffic in Pattaya - for the first time in years - and the baht weakening as a result of all this.

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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by Jun » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:45 am

Travel restrictions on Chinese seem like an obvious move. The alternative is transmission to other countries, potential further spread and a death rate of 2%.

The baht has weakened and certain Asian investment trusts are trading at a 52 week low. Anyone wanting to invest in Asia might think about starting next week. This may well not be the bottom, but it's probably better to start dripping money in, than keep waiting and miss the bottom.

My best estimate is this will have a limited long term economic impact. Even if China lost 2% of it's population, apparently the deaths are amongst the oldest people or those with other health issues. Generally, these are not the people driving economic growth.
Please don't interpret this the wrong way. I know most of us are past 50 and some by a big margin. It's just accepted that economies with a younger demographic tend to grow faster and older people are less likely to set up businesses. Also, investment needs to be based on fact, not emotion.

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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by Dodger » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:44 am

Jun wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:45 am
My best estimate is this will have a limited long term economic impact. Even if China lost 2% of it's population, apparently the deaths are amongst the oldest people or those with other health issues.
It's not the loss of 2% of its population that will have a long term impact on the economy - it's the loss of 2% of their GDP.

If the virus can also spread by an infected person simply making direct contact with a tangible item, then the Chinese exports could also be transmitting the virus, which, in theory, could paralyze their exports, thus crippling their economy. If it comes down to these exports being scrutinized (quarantined), China would almost certainly have to rely on increased imports, and their GDP would plummet.

I'm really surprised I haven't seen or heard anything mentioned about Chinese exports relative to the coronavirus. Could the global economy be at stake???

Here's an interesting Wall Street Journal article which touches on the subject:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronaviru ... 1580458591

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Post by Jun » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Dodger wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:44 am
It's not the loss of 2% of its population that will have a long term impact on the economy - it's the loss of 2% of their GDP.
The 2% loss of population is unlikely to be long term. If the majority of deaths are for very old people or those with other health problems, it follows that in 10 years time, a good proportion of the 2% would have passed away even without the virus. Deaths amongst this group will also have less influence on national birth rates.
Also, not all age ranges generate the same gdp.

I guess the short term effect might be much more than 2% of gdp and the long term effect much less than 2%.

On the other hand, if every infected person infects 4 others and this becomes a global problem, this might run for some time.

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Post by Undaunted » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:52 am

Death outside of China: https://cnn.it/394jV8T
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Post by Dodger » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:57 am

Undaunted wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:52 am
Death outside of China: https://cnn.it/394jV8T
Thanks for the link.

Well, we can say goodbye to those Chinese tour buses for a while which is a good thing for Thailand's environment.

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Re: chinese deadly coronavirus

Post by Gaybutton » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:00 pm

Last few Chinese tour groups in Thailand and Pattaya departing in the next several days

By Adam Judd

February 3, 2020

The Thai government has stated that the last few Chinese tour groups in Pattaya and Thailand are scheduled to depart in the next several days, many this evening.

The Chinese tour groups still in the country arrived prior to the Chinese government banning outward bound tour groups on January 26 due to concerns of a potential spread of the novel Coronavirus ravaging the country.

In Pattaya, The Pattaya News has observed a few groups this morning still in the city, but the vast majority are nearly gone. Bali Hai Pier stood nearly empty last evening at sunset, a time when there are normally thousands of tourists and tour buses.

The health of all the members of the tour groups have been monitored by tour guides and travel officials during their stay.

Many businesses in the Pattaya area that rely on Chinese tourists, such as speed boat tours, seafood restaurants, tourist attractions like the Floating Market and Sanctuary of Truth, cabaret shows and more are changing direction during the ban to focus on attracting other tourists to the venues and offering specials and promotions.

Some businesses, like the seafood restaurant boats in Pattaya Bay, are shutting for at least a month.

Individual tourists from China are still allowed to travel to Thailand, albeit under strict health checks and restrictions.

Story and photos: https://thepattayanews.com/2020/02/03/l ... eral-days/
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