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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Jun » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:01 pm

Good analysis by Dodger.

Incidentally, I have often been asking boys I meet for the first time if they want to do short or long time. The vast majority choose short time. Now bearing in mind that in Pattaya, I might tip 50% extra for long time, this suggests they can either manage perfectly well without the larger tip or fancy their chances of finding another short time client.
To earn the extra cash, all they really have to do is sleep alongside me and play a little in the morning.

Of course, the hourly rate is terrible, but It's a real increase in cash flow and looks OK if measured by hourly rate for waking hours.
If any working lad is really strapped for cash and struggling to get customers, then when he does get a customer, the rational choice would be to try for long time and a bigger tip. That doesn't seem to happen, so presumably they are getting by on short time tips.

Therefore I'm not convinced the market is that tough for the lads.

Ten years ago there were some lads who would assume it's long time unless told otherwise. Then when tipped, some would either try to hang around all day, or miraculously find my beach chair at about 15:30, in an attempt to roll the long time off into another day. Often a successful ploy. So instead of one short time tip, they got 2 or 3 consecutive long time tips. That attitude seems rarer.

Now, of course many of them do contact me again on the phone apps, but It's not quite as effective at getting repeat offs. Particularly if compared with sitting on my beach lounger in Speedos.

Also, my general impression is the ones who look good AND perform get more repeat offs. The other category don't perform and get no repeat offs. They send out way more messages on the apps and usually have moved onto another career within 12 months. Which is how life is supposed to work.

The lad who asked me for cash looks good and performs. So a good start.
However, he apparently stays up all night playing games and is then sleeping in the evening when it's prime time for chasing clients. He also seems to waste some of the money clubbing. If he's doing drugs, it's not noticeable like on some other lads I have met.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Jun » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:41 am

The lad has posted again on Instagram showing himself out clubbing.

On Tuesday he apparently didn't have enough money for the rent. By Friday, he has solved the problem, without my help and got enough spare to go clubbing.

Dodger's looks correct in suggesting that the rent request is just an indication of the sum of money he thinks I might hand over, rather than the purpose for the money.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Gaybutton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:16 am

Jun wrote:
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On Tuesday he apparently didn't have enough money for the rent. By Friday, he has solved the problem
That doesn't surprise me at all. In all the years I've lived here, from among all the Thai boys who tried to tell me they didn't have enough money for their room rent, I have never seen any of them actually lose their room.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Jun » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:12 pm

I guess we don't often hear them asking for 3000 baht for yabba or to go clubbing.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by rocket » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:03 am

I rarely get asked for more money than the standard tip. But maybe because I’m generous. Tonight was the first in a while. The guy who works in Sunee said he needed money for rent because he pays 300 baht a day, and his baby needed food. I refused but said I could see him again tomorrow to help him.

This guy has been used a lot but he’s very well hung. One of my weaknesses.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Dodger » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:48 am

rocket wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:03 am
I rarely get asked for more money than the standard tip. But maybe because I’m generous. Tonight was the first in a while. The guy who works in Sunee said he needed money for rent because he pays 300 baht a day, and his baby needed food. I refused but said I could see him again tomorrow to help him.

This guy has been used a lot but he’s very well hung. One of my weaknesses.
If he's well-hung and used a lot as you stated, then he should be earning enough to pay his room rent. 300 baht/day (9,000 baht/month) is double what most boys pay for their rooms.

The "Hungry Baby" ploy is one of the oldest on the books. If you tipped him 1,000 - 1,500 for your short time fun, he has enough money to feed ten babies.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by ISAC69 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:56 pm

Yes it's a lie, 9000 Bht a month in Pattaya is very high no chance a Thai boy is paying this amount for rent and not likely he is paying the rent daily and not monthly. if the guy is desperate for money he can take part time job in the mornings to earn extra money. You took the right decision for not giving him money besides the agreed fee.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Jun » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:12 pm

Dodger wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:48 am
The "Hungry Baby" ploy is one of the oldest on the books. If you tipped him 1,000 - 1,500 for your short time fun, he has enough money to feed ten babies.
1 Street food seems to cost 30 to 50 baht. As far as I know, babies eat small portions. Also I presume there is some cheap option for baby food in between his mother feeding naturally and eating adult food.

2 In a country with a minimum wage of just over 300 baht per day, he should be well capable of surviving on >1000.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by ISAC69 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:37 pm

The guy budget problems are really not your concern he is not your boyfriend or something, your confirmation to see him again next day to help him is kind enough.

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Re: "I NEED MONEY FOR RENT"

Post by Dodger » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:20 pm

Lending money to a boy who you've befriended, not to be confused with "boyfriend", will inevitably ruin the friendship. There is absolutely no upside to this for the lender.

If your connection with the boy was based on sexual services, then continue enjoying his service. If you lend him money he has no intention of paying back, you've just compromised his service in the future. I'm not suggesting being a cheap ass, but just keep the financial donations to a minimum and within your budget.

A seasoned Pattaya veteran told me years ago, that the working boys (and girls) are masters at controlling a farangs emotions, including the emotions of sympathy and guilt. He also told me that if I couldn't figure out if he was being dishonest or not, he was being dishonest.

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