fountainhall wrote:Gaybutton wrote:I would also like to see North and South Korean families able to be together again, North Koreans allowed to travel freely, people who escaped North Korea allowed to go home, if they choose, without fear of punishment, the starving people in North Korea having genuine access to food and decent living conditions, and North Korea closing their concentration camps and releasing the prisoners.
If any of that actually happens, I doubt it would be overnight, but it would be nice if North Korea starts taking steps in that direction.
Who knows? Maybe North Korea is finally on the verge of becoming part of the world. Maybe Kim Jong Un has at last come to his senses.
Keep dreaming! Funny how we were all talking about outright war only a few months ago and now there are fairy tales about how the North will suddenly become a wonderful fantasy land of milk and honey! It's just not going to happen! Kim may be more sane than we thought, but his ultimate objective is continuation of his rule. That means he keeps very strict control. Freedom to travel, closing concentration camps and freeing prisoners isn't going to happen in my view. The relaxation of sanctions and the willingness of South Korea to help the North will no doubt ease the desperate food shortages that have continued for at least two decades and living conditions may begin to improve. More than that will take decades rather than years.Captain Kirk wrote:from there the NK people start to realise what they are missing and gradually rise up against the ruling wankers.
I doubt that will happen for a generation - at least. We know that the North's citizens have been brainwashed in a way few on our planet have. We know, too, that there are some defectors who have braved the long escape route through China, Vietnam and Bangkok before reaching Seoul who then found it impossible to forget the debt they owed to the Dear Leader or whatever his title. Despite the comforts of everything in South Korea and despite the fact that their families had probably ended up in concentration-style camps after their defection and they would have the same fate, these poor brainwashed souls gave up their freedoms and voluntarily returned to Kim's embrace. There may well be some individuals who try to instil the benefits of greater freedoms on their compatriots. But I cannot see they will have any effect in the shorter term.
'Tis why I said it will be a slow process. If the country opens up a little then at least that process can begin, even if within an underground movement. I just don't understand why their people allow this to continue. I don't believe they are all brainwashed at all. The grinding poverty which is part of daily life for most of them should be enough to make them aware of their situation.