Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

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#61 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby firecat69 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:20 am

People have short memories. 1994-2004 assault weapons were banned . It could, should and will happen again . One of the problems is this kind of legislation has to be Federal .. There are states that have continued this ban , but it is made meaningless because of states bordering them do not pass the same legislation. There are some states that have a law that guns must be locked up and not available to minors or the owner becomes responsible for any damage done by say their children . Naturally useless Texas would like every child to have access to assault weapons.

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#62 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby fountainhall » Tue May 22, 2018 9:11 am

Observing from afar, it seems that it used to be a tradition that those who commit such mass murder atrocities would either turn a gun on themselves or be shot dead by the officers of the law. Several recent mass murderers - the perpetrators of the Florida, Texas, Charleston Church shootings, for example - have been captured alive. Unless their lawyers are able successfully to argue they were mentally unfit, they will now be executed or spend the rest of their lives in jail.

I cannot conceive what goes on in the mind of anyone wanting to commit mass murder of any group of people, especially young people. I assume something snaps either over a period of time or instantaneously. But in their act of brutal rage, could it ever occur to them what the consequences will be if they do come out of their orgy of killing alive? Does the thought of a lifetime behind bars, probably in some protective programme to stop other inmates getting at them, mean nothing? For someone in his late teens, that could mean 60 or more years of incarceration. Is that not sufficient incentive to commit suicide? Or is there some sort of need to be recognised as a long-term martyr figure? I find it so difficult to understand the whole issue of mass shootings.

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#63 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Captain Kirk » Tue May 22, 2018 2:35 pm

I agree with fountainhall re ending your own life after doing something like this. I certainly would. The only upside for your regular nutter would be to smirk and give the middle finger to everyone who wants to let you know how much you hurt them.

Mind you, mass shootings/killings take more forms than just your average nutjob going loco. Israel the other week sanctioned the mass murder of 60 Palestinians. No jail sentence there. What about dropping bombs in Pakistan or Libya or Syria or......Drug dealers in the likes of Mexico murder at will with no thought for anyone. The list goes on and on and on.

Why do they do it? We're simply not as civilised as we like to pretend we are.

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#64 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Gaybutton » Tue May 22, 2018 3:50 pm

Captain Kirk wrote:ending your own life after doing something like this. I certainly would.

People who do these things, and it's not just in schools, are not exactly thinking the way a normal person would. If they even consider the consequences at all, apparently that doesn't deter them. Maybe that "15 minutes of fame" is too much for them to resist. I'm sure some of them also believe they're not going to get caught. Not only does the lives of their victims mean nothing to them, but the consequences for even their own families don't seem to mean anything either.

Zachary Cruz, the brother of Nikolas Cruz - Parkland High School shooting - says he has been forced to leave Florida completely simply because he is the brother.



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#65 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Captain Kirk » Wed May 23, 2018 2:53 am

Gaybutton wrote:
Captain Kirk wrote:ending your own life after doing something like this. I certainly would.

Maybe that "15 minutes of fame" is too much for them to resist.

Not sure about that GB. Killing a celebrity is more your "15 minutes of fame" nutter. They do it with a smile as they are arrested with a tv camera in their faces. Your garden variety spree killer usually considers it to be their sign off message to whomever he/she has targeted. Most do it when they have finished with life and proceed with the final shot once they have done their thing while those who choose to live on with the consequences simply care about no-one, not even themselves.

Also - normal people?, what is normal?

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#66 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Gaybutton » Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 am

Captain Kirk wrote:Also - normal people?, what is normal?

That's easy: 98.6°F, 37°C

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#67 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Gaybutton » Fri May 25, 2018 10:25 pm

Another school shooting! Few details are available yet, but at least there are no reports of anyone having been killed. A teenager and an adult were shot and wounded - presumably a student and a teacher, but that information is not yet available. The shooter is in custody.

https://us.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indian ... index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-sc ... le-school/

"A well regulated militia . . ." Right.

Anyone reading this shocked or surprised at yet another school shooting? I'm not. I also won't be shocked or surprised at the next one, and the one after that, and the one after that, and so on.

The only thing that will shock and surprise me is if Congress actually does anything at all. I'm wondering who will be the first politician to respond by saying this needs to stop. My nomination for "Hypocrite of the Year Award" will go to the first politician to tell us all about how his thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families.

And in a related story, the police in Canada are looking for two men who decided a fun way to spend the evening was to blow up a restaurant, with customers inside.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toronto-bo ... 018-05-25/

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#68 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Gaybutton » Sat May 26, 2018 7:43 am

Science teacher who tackled student gunman among 2 wounded at Indiana middle school

By Rick Callahan, Associated Press

May 25, 2018

An Indiana middle school student armed with two handguns opened fire inside his science classroom Friday, authorities said, wounding a classmate and a teacher whose swift intervention was credited with saving lives.

The shooter, who had asked to be dismissed from the class before returning with the guns, was arrested "extremely quickly" after the incident around 9 a.m. at Noblesville West Middle School, police Chief Kevin Jowitt said. Authorities didn't release his name or say whether he had been in trouble before but indicated he likely acted alone.

Seventh-grader Ethan Stonebraker said the student was acting suspiciously when he walked into the room while the class was taking a test. He said science teacher Jason Seaman likely averted a catastrophe.

"Our science teacher immediately ran at him, swatted a gun out of his hand and tackled him to the ground," Stonebraker said. "If it weren't for him, more of us would have been injured for sure."

Stonebraker told ABC News that Seaman threw a basketball at the shooter and ran toward the bullets as screaming students sought cover behind a table.

He said he also knew the suspected gunman, whom he described as "a nice kid most of the times" and said he often joked with the classmates.

"It's just a shock he would do something like that," Stonebraker said.

The attack comes a week after an attack at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas, that killed eight students and two teachers, and months after the school attack that killed 17 people in Parkland, Florida. The Florida attack inspired students from that school and others throughout the country to call for more restrictions on access to guns.

Police say a female student is in critical condition and Seaman is in good condition. The suspected gunman suffered no apparent injuries, they said.

Seaman's brother, Jeremy Seaman, told The Indianapolis Star that his brother was shot three times and was undergoing surgery. He said he was conscious after the shooting and talked with his wife, telling her he was OK.

Jeremy Seaman, who now lives in Arizona, said his brother was a defensive end for Southern Illinois University's football team and has never been a person to run away.

Hours after the shooting, law enforcement agents sealed off part of an upscale neighborhood in Noblesville but weren't commenting on whether the suspect lived there. Sandy McWilliams, a member of a landscaping crew working nearby, said six officers toting assault rifles entered a home.

Students were bused to the Noblesville High School gym, where hundreds of parents and other family members arrived to retrieve them.

Authorities referred to a prompt and heroic response at the school but didn't confirm accounts of the teacher tackling the student or describe the role of the resource officer who was stationed at the school.

When asked to elaborate on his praise of the response, Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter said: "Wait 'til one day we can tell you that story. You'll be proud of them, too."

Eighth-grader Chris Navarro said he was inside an auditorium when he heard several gunshots about a minute before the bell rang for the change in classes.

"The speaker came on and said we were on lockdown and people rushed in and we went to the back of the room. I went into this little room in the back with three other people," he said calmly standing between his parents as they picked him up.

Jennifer Morris, who was among the worried parents who rushed to get their kids, appeared slightly dazed and said she was at work when her 14-year-old son sent a text message about the shooting, stunning her.

"He said, 'I'm OK, please come get me.' That was probably 20 minutes after it happened," Morris said. "It's like a bad dream. I don't know how you get the kids through this. This isn't something you're trained for as a parent."

Gov. Eric Holcomb, who was returning from a trip to Europe on Friday, issued a statement saying he and other state leaders were getting updates about the situation and that 100 state police officers had been made available to work with local law enforcement.

"Our thoughts are with all those affected by this horrible situation," Holcomb said.

Noblesville, which is about 20 miles northeast of Indianapolis, is home to about 50,000 people. The middle school has about 1,300 students from grades 6-8. The school's academic year was scheduled to end next Friday.

Indiana's Senate Democrats issued a statement in response to Friday's school shooting expressing their condolences to the victims and calling for steps to prevent such shootings, including restrictions on guns.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

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#69 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby lvdkeyes » Sat May 26, 2018 11:05 am

It's a good thing he didn't have an assault weapon. Many would have been dead.

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#70 Re: Florida High School Shooting and Gun Control

Postby Gaybutton » Sat May 26, 2018 12:41 pm

Parkland High School student David Hogg successfully led a "die-in" protest to against the Publix grocery store chain in Florida. The protest goal was to get Publix to cease contributing to Adam Putnam's campaign for Governor of Florida. Putnam is a staunch supporter of NRA and opposes gun control.

Good work, David. Your protest worked. Publix will cease these campaign contributions and, hopefully, Putnam will lose his campaign and disappear.

Of course, I expect NRA to support and finance Putnam's campaign to the max.

Care to guess which is Putnam's political party?

Excellent! You got it right on the first guess.
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Publix halts political contributions in face of protestor "die-in"

By Kate Gibson

May 25, 2018

Publix is backing down in a standoff with survivors of this year's mass shooting at a Parkland, Florida high school, saying it has suspended political contributions.

The regional supermarket chain, which is based in Florida, announced its decision amid a "die-in" at several Publix stores in the state to protest the supermarket chain's financial support for a gubernatorial candidate who opposes gun control.

Publix said Friday in a statement that it will "suspend corporate-funded political contributions as we reevaluate our giving processes."

Earlier this week, the company had suggested future political donations might be handled differently, saying that "We did not intend to put our associates and the customers they serve in the middle of a political debate."

The lead organizer of the demonstration, which took place Friday afternoon, was Florida teen David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where 17 people were shot to death and 17 others were injured in a Feb. 14 rampage by a former student.

After participating in the protest, Diego Pfeiffer, a senior at the high school, tweeted that Publix's suspension is "proof that peaceful protest really works."

Over Twitter, Hogg said some local residents planned to lie down for 12 minutes at two local Publix stores. He also encouraged similar protests at the supermarket chain's other locations. Hogg said in a video posted to his feed that more students have been killed in school this year than U.S. soldiers serving abroad.

Publix has faced public backlash for bankrolling a supporter of the National Rifle Association for governor. Hogg and other activists called for a boycott of the regional chain after the Tampa Bay Times reported that Publix had given $670,000 during the last three years to Adam Putnam, a Republican who is currently the state's agricultural commissioner.

Publix, which is based in Lakeland, Florida, and is the state's largest private employer, operates 1,172 stores in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee. Roughly 800 of those locations are in Florida.

Since the shooting in Parkland, Putnam has drawn the ire of gun-control advocates by opposing the Florida's new restrictions on gun purchases, as well as by describing himself as a "proud NRA sellout."

Publix initially issued a statement saying it supported "bi-partisan, business-friendly candidates," then took to social media to state it has not provided financial support to the NRA.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/die-in-pub ... 018-05-25/


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