Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

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#371 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby firecat69 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:56 am

What?? Nobody is President until after the election unless he is running for a 2nd term. Mueller has just started . There can only be 2 reasons that Dump has not put in the sanctions that the Congress passed. 95% of the Congress voted for the sanctions and this moron says no.

There are only 2 possible reasons.

1. He colluded with the Russians prior to the election.

2. He is a money launderer for the Russians and will go jail for Federal crimes.

You can be sure Mueller will find the reason.

Problem is we we will get Pence and he will be worse! Nothing worse then a Holy Roller.

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#372 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

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#373 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby Up2u » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:42 am

Captain Kirk wrote:You can't blame Trump for Russian meddling in the election, he wasn't President UNTIL the election was over. If the 2nd amendment is the problem then CHANGE IT!

Don't have to change the 2nd amendment as that would take time and too many more lives lost. Simple short term solution is Institute the federal ban on assault weapons again, elect legislators and legislation that stop open carry, etc., etc. Perhaps, you were OTL, but Trump is in denial about Russian meddling, believed Putin's denial when he met with him against our own intelligence agencies. His sworn pledge to defend the Constitution and protect people from foreign threats he apparently doesn't take seriously. Some critics are interpreting the planned, financed Russian attack on our election AND coming election as an act of war. He hasn't even implemented the sanctions Congress overwhelmingly supported. Ask yourself, why not?

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#374 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby fountainhall » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:49 am

Virtually nothing has been done to halt the proliferation of guns in the United States. Politicians who are backed by vast millions from the NRA sit silent and the President, himself the beneficiary of $21 million plus from the NRA, cannot even bring himself to mention the word gun. Perhaps that situation may finally be about to change. And it could all be thanks to a Greek who lived almost two and a half centuries ago.

In a mass rally in Fort Lauderdale last night (see the video in GB's earlier post), students angrily lambasted the politicians in hock to the NRA. They have also arranged a mass walk-out of students from classes in April. No doubt the parents of many of those protesting will own guns. But surely it is unlikely that many will stand aside from backing their children on that day.

A walkout in South Florida on Friday and rally in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday helped anchor support, and other protests are planned in coming weeks, including one that would mark the 19th year since the Columbine High School massacre.

"We are the students, we are the victims, we are change, fight gun violence now!" student organizers wrote for one of the planned events. "High School students across the U.S.A, the way to fight back is here. There has been too much complacency on the part of politicians when it comes to gun violence. The time to act is now!"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 348752002/

In 411 BC, the playwright Aristophanes wrote a bawdy comedy about the bloody Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta which lasted almost 30 years. Lysistrata is the name of the main protagonist, a woman who is desperate to end a war that the men and politicians seem unable to do anything about other than fight. Gathering other wives around her, they determine that if the men do not come to their senses they will withhold their sexual favours. They will just plain refuse to have sex. If they are forced, "“Yield then,” Lysistrata advises, “but with a sluggish, cold indifference. There is no joy to [men] in sullen mating.”

Although the play ends happily, there is no evidence that the bloody war ended because of any women's revolt. But it did cripple Greek military strength and was to herald the final defeat of Athens. Could the students' day of action in the USA herald the start of a new movement amongst the emerging young voter population that will finally lead to the defeat of the NRA's power over legislators?

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#375 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby RichLB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:04 pm

Perhaps it would be interesting to investigate where the NRA gets its millions of dollars. Given the amount of money they give to politicians I can't imagine membership dues would even begin to cover it.

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#376 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby fountainhall » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:14 pm

The US is guilty of utter hypocrisy. H. R. McMaster today called on the world to condemn Syria and make it accountable for turning chemical weapons on its own people.

Interesting. Mr. McMaster: I ask you. What is the difference between

1. one regime killing its people with chemical weapons, and
2. another regime deliberately and with full knowledge permitting weapons that are clearly meant for the battlefield and not its own streets killing as many of its own people as have recently been killed by chemical weapons in Syria - and doing absolutely nothing about it?

Do you intend the world to condemn the USA? I've got news for you. The world already does!

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#377 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby fountainhall » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:25 pm

RichLB wrote:Perhaps it would be interesting to investigate where the NRA gets its millions of dollars.

Much is explained in this article -

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/ ... he-numbers

2015
Total revenues: $336.7 million. One year membership $40. Lifetime $1,500
Total membership: 5 million

Amount spent in the 2016 electoral cycle: more than $54 million
Amount spent to elect 249 members of Congress: more than $66 million
Top 10 beneficiaries -
Donald Trump — $31,194,646
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) — $6,297,551
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — $3,298,405
Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — $3,105,294
Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.) — $2,888,132
Former Rep. Joe Heck (R-Nev.) — $2,529,305
Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)— $2,319,755
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)—$650,745
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.)—$215,786
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)—$167,411

Amount spent in the first half of 2017 on lobbyists: $3.2 million

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#378 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby Gaybutton » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:27 pm

I believe the only chance of anything substantial getting done this time will be if this remains in the headlines for an extended period of time. If that doesn't happen, then I believe this will fade, just like all the others, and end up essentially forgotten - until the next incident.

Example: Remember Sandy Hook? Without looking it up, do you remember how many children were killed? Do you remember the name of the shooter? Do you remember in which year it happened? Do you remember in which state Sandy Hook is located?

My guess is most people probably don't remember without having to look it up.

That, in itself, is part of the problem.

The current population of the USA is approximate 326-million. Out of that number only 5-million are members of the NRA, and yet the NRA virtually controls the gun laws in the USA. What's wrong with this picture?




I'd rather take the guns from your cold dead hands, Mr. Heston, than for medical examiners having to continue removing bullets from the cold dead bodies of children, not to forget about surgeons having to remove bullets from wounded children.

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#379 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby fountainhall » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:29 pm

Charlton Heston! Now there’s a name which hopefully is also being forgotten. I know I have written this before, but it’s worth repeating. He may have been in demand as a movie actor. When he tried his hand in a real live theatre, the critics murdered him! Reviewing a reading he gave with his wife at London’s Theatre Royal in the Haymarket, the noted International Herald Tribune writer said: “The only moving thing about Mr. Heston’s deathly performance was his hairpiece!”

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#380 Re: Consequences of Trump's Win - 4

Postby firecat69 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:07 pm

It really is not any secret where the NRA gets its money. Gun manufacturers who are making $Billions selling their killing machines.

It truly disgusts me when I realize the overwhelming number of citizens are for enhanced background checks and the banning of selling military assault weapons to 18 year olds or anyone for that fact.

What disgusts me even more is the ignorance about the 2nd Amendment and failing to recognize that Scalia the most most Conservative Supreme Court Judge along with his brethren stated there is no right to purchase these military weapons by the public but left it up to the states .

The states get to decide so state governments like Florida, Texas and so many more allow anyone to walk into a gun store and as an 18 year old buy these weapons. They can't drink but they can by these killing machines.

Disgusting Governor of Florida has some nerve calling for the resignation of the new FBI Director when it is his policies on guns that allow a sick 18 year individual to walk in and buy a killing machine with no waiting period and much easier then buying a hand gun.

I say again where are the Mothers. They changed drunk driving forever , they can do the same for military weapons and it starts by throwing out the crooked politicians that allow it to happen!


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