Suicide Bomb Kills 19 Manchester

[Undaunted]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/worl ... osion.html

[Captain Kirk]

Been to a couple of gigs there. Cracking place for a show, fucking dreadful attack on folk just enjoying themselves. Condolences to the families hardly seems anywhere near enough.

[Gaybutton]

The part I most fail to understand is the reason for this sort of attack. Why? Apparently ISIS is claiming responsibility. What do they hope to achieve through these kinds of attacks?

I don't understand what purpose these kinds of attacks are supposed to serve. I don't know what they want.

[Jun]

"Born in 1994, the second youngest of four children, Abedi’s parents were Libyan refugees who fled to the UK to escape Gaddafi".

Meanwhile, our idiot politicians have recently allowed millions more refugees from the middle East into Europe. They have no understanding of history or the long term consequences.

[fountainhall]

What a terrible tragedy! Deliberately targeting young children and their mothers is heartbreaking and utterly appalling - not that any other terrorist or murderous attack is not also appalling.

But, Jun, few if any of the recent terrorist attacks in Europe have been perpetrated by recent immigrants. Indeed, most have been by nationals born and brought up in European countries, as in the case of the Manchester bomber. These murderers in some way became radicalised. There has been a lot of discussion in the last 2 days during which two points have been stressed. Most of the terrorists had only been radical Islamists for a relatively few years. Many then travelled to Syria or other countries - the Manchester bomber seems to have been in Libya - where they were recruited by ISIS and trained in how to create incidents of terror before they then returned. Some have been on official police warning lists. But 24-hour surveillance of just one possible terrorist requires around 20 police. Given the numbers who have been to Syria and returned, the law enforcement departments just do not have the manpower.

Secondly - and I think equally importantly - many are in their 20s, live in Muslim ghettos and have no work. These areas are ripe for radical recruiters. Of course you can blame the parents and earlier governments for permitting those parents to emigrate to Europe. But you cannot reverse history. And extremist terrorist attacks by immigrants rarely happened until after 9/11. In the late 1990s the UK was far more concerned with the IRA. Those ghettos and their impressionable, unemployed youths now exist. They present a problem, and how you solve it, I haven't the faintest idea. Local and national governments have done almost nothing about it. But as long as they exist and nothing is done, home-grown terrorism will surely continue.

[Undaunted]

Whatever the motivation, all the more reason to keep this garbage from entering the U.S.

[fountainhall]

Seems you didn't quite get the point of my post. As in Europe, most of the more recent terrorist events in the USA seem to have been inflicted by those born in the USA. The problem probably lies more with those within than without.

[Undaunted]

Seems you didn't quite get the point of my post. As in Europe, most of the more recent terrorist events in the USA seem to have been inflicted by those born in the USA. The problem probably lies more with those within than without.

I didn't read your post.

[fountainhall]

To each his own.

[fountainhall]

The UK government has expressed its extreme anger at leaks of confidential forensic police photos from the site of the Manchester bombings by US sources and published in the the media.

The British government has been left flabbergasted by the repeated breaches of trust, which have compromised the investigation into the murder of 22 people—many of them children—at an Ariana Grande show. Prime Minister Theresa May will complain directly to Trump when she meets him in Brussels on Thursday.

In the 24 hours after the attack, the British security services executed their well-drilled counter-terror strategy: Identify the attacker as quickly as possible and move on his network of contacts before the killer’s name or precise modus operandi becomes public.

Unfortunately for MI5 and the North West Counter Terrorism Unit, their highly sensitive operation was being undermined by constant news reports from the U.S.—broadcasting their findings to the world, including ISIS and al Qaeda operatives or sympathizers watching at home or abroad.

Under the Five Eyes agreement, a huge quantity of signals intelligence is automatically shared among the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the U.K. on the understanding that the secrecy is respected and maintained by all governments.

Even beyond that, the U.K. and U.S. have perhaps the world’s closest intelligence-sharing relationship—relying on one another for assistance on tracking down bad actors and their accomplices scattered across global terror networks.

This week, the closeness of that relationship became a real problem for Britain.

In an unprecedented move, Britain's National Counter Terrorism Policing unit released a scathing official statement.

"We greatly value the important relationships we have with our trusted intelligence, law enforcement and security partners around the world. When that trust is breached it undermines these relationships, and undermines our investigations and the confidence of victims, witnesses and their families," a spokesman said.

"This damage is even greater when it involves unauthorised disclosure of potential evidence in the middle of a major counter-terrorism investigation."

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