British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

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#11 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Gaybutton » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:07 pm

fountainhall wrote:I have no idea if an increase is in the works, but it would not surprise me.

Shhhhhhh. Don't give them any ideas . . . .

Does the UK embassy charge for the Certificate of Income letter? The USA embassy charges US $50 (about 1600 baht at current exchange rates) for it because it is a notarized form and that's the embassy's per page fee for notary seals.

I'll never forget the first time I went to the embassy to get the proof-of-income statement, as the embassy calls it. I went with a stack of documentation to prove my income. When I got to the service window the agent said, "Oh, we don't need any of that. You're swearing on a notarized statement that you're telling the truth about your income, so we take your word for it."

I said, "You just take my word for it? I don't have to prove anything? Just swear I'm telling the truth?"

She said, "That's right."

I said, "You mean I could tell you I have more money coming in each month than Bill Gates and you take my word for it?"

She said, "Right again."

That's how many Americans manage to get away with cheating and lying about their actual income.

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#12 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Up2u » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:31 pm

History shows us existing visa holders would be exempt from any increase, some long-time expats use 400k not 800k.

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#13 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Jun » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:18 am

A slightly naive question, but my UK employer can provide documentation showing what my salary is. Also, there are monthly salary statements and bank statements to support this.
Would there not be similar documentation for pensions that does the same thing, which should also, in theory be suitable as proof of income ?

This is all very academic in my case. I'm not ready to live in Thailand just yet, but since the majority of my income is likely to be from investments, the lump sum in a Thai bank account would be by far the easiest hurdle to clear. It's just unfortunate they don't seem to allow it to be invested more effectively.

As for the people who cannot rustle up 800,000 baht, I presume they would have to go home or find another country to move to ?
Buying residency rights is often expensive.

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#14 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby windwalker » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:36 pm

Gaybutton wrote:That's how many Americans manage to get away with cheating and lying about their actual income.

Well, maybe. I do know an expat that does lie, sort of. He writes down the minimum income of 65K Baht/month even though his actual income is 4 times that.

Nonetheless, doing away with the income certification letter will make it a hardship on those who use that method, including myself and ????

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#15 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Gaybutton » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:48 pm

Does the UK embassy charge a fee for the letter ?

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#16 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby windwalker » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 am

Yes. Not sure of the amount, but yes. Something equivalent to what those from USA are charged.

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#17 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

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#18 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby fountainhall » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:42 am

If I heard that rather rambling conversation correctly, proof of income coming from the UK is not acceptable. The only alternative to the 800,000 Bt. Is a bankbook showing that monthly payments of a minimum of 65,000 Bt. have been received during the previous 12 months. I wonder how many of the 3,000 presently using the income letter will eventually be able to show such receipts.

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#19 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Gaybutton » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:46 pm

Letter to the Editor from Barry Kenyon, former British Consul in Pattaya:
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UK embassy rushes in

Editor:

At the time of writing (October 12), it appears that the British embassy’s decision to cease issuing income verification letters for one-year extensions of stay was panicky.

The website informed us that the American embassy would follow suit, but there has been to date a deafening silence there. No other Bangkok embassy has taken the British bait.

So what’s the British rush to compromise its own citizens? Obviously, UK lawyers have stressed – as they have been doing for many years – that there is no way they can guarantee the truth of all income statements made. This ancient history, of course, is true of other embassies and is well known to Thai authorities.

Maybe we are at the start of a serious crackdown which will create a mass exodus of farang from the kingdom. Maybe. In any case, the immigration bureau rules for one-year, retirement extensions are said to be under review.

However, the British embassy – by jumping the gun and apparently in diplomatic isolation – has simply spread confusion across the expat community. Perhaps it is simply part of the British government’s obvious strategy to curtail front-line consular services across the board. British expats don’t vote, so why bother?

Barry Kenyon

http://www.pattayamail.com/mailbag/uk-e ... hes-226728

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#20 Re: British Embassy Bangkok to stop Certification of Income Letters

Postby Dodger » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:23 am

fountainhall wrote:With the new drive to push more people towards the Thai Elite programme with its higher annual fees, could there be some effect on the existing retirement visa regulations?

I doubt it.

The average wages in Thailand increased from approximately 9,000 THB/month in 1999 to 14,000 THB in 2018, although current data shows the average family income stil hovers around 8,000 THB/month. These numbers are of course impacted by the unemployment rate and unreported incomes. There are also over 18 million Thai nationals with incomes less than 100,000 THB/year with the average famile income in 2018 reportedly being at 104,000 THB/year (8,666 THB/month).

65,000 THB/month (780,000 THB/year) is more than a they are paying their generals so we are already at the "Elite Level".


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