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#21 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby Jun » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:57 am

Gaybutton wrote:
Jun wrote:the diesel engines almost certainly pollute

I don't know how many of these vehicles manage to pass inspection, unless a few hundred baht exchanging hands means now the vehicle passes. Maybe some of these vehicles don't even bother with inspection and just drive, hoping a police stop also ends with a few baht exchanging hands. Some of these battered and no longer roadworthy probably have never properly been serviced since the day they came off the assembly line.

The solution, at least in part, seems obvious enough to me - require vehicle inspection every year instead of waiting until the vehicle is 9 years old. And inspect the inspectors to make sure they are running a legitimate operation.

Also, I don't know why the police never seem to stop these pollution monsters. Don't they see the same vehicles I see? Don't they have to breathe the same air I have to breathe? Sorry, police, but those surgical masks so many of you wear aren't much help to you.

I agree with you on that as well, but what chance is there of getting a corruption free crackdown on pollution in Thailand ?

Mind you, the air in Pattaya is positively fresh & clean compared with some of the cities in the Philippines, where the vehicles can have a really disgusting pollution problem.

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#22 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby Gaybutton » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:59 am

Jun wrote:what chance is there of getting a corruption free crackdown on pollution in Thailand ?

Three guesses . . .

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#23 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby fountainhall » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:26 pm

Gaybutton wrote:Three guesses . . .

No! No! . . . But I can’t think of the third!! :?

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#24 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby fountainhall » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:36 pm

On a more serious note, in the last week I have seen quite a lot of people in Bangkok, Hong Kong and Taipei wearing cheap face masks. These may help you avoid getting a cold as others cough and sneeze around you, but they do precisely nothing to stop you breathing in the dangerous tiny particulates in a traffic-polluted atmosphere. They may make you feel better but they’re purely cosmetic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... o-biologic

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#25 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby Gaybutton » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:04 pm

fountainhall wrote:they do precisely nothing to stop you breathing in the dangerous tiny particulates

They're not even designed for that. Some may disagree with me, but in case no one noticed, doctors wear surgical masks to keep from emitting anything dangerous to the patient, not the other way around.

So, unless you're breathing out something that might make the pollution situation worse, those masks are useless.

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#26 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby christianpfc » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:44 am

It's not just cars. Look at all the food preparation, with boiling oil, or fat dripping onto burning charcoal, and all the belching/farting/sweating people that pollute the air.

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#27 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby gerefan » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:41 pm

Gaybutton wrote:
fountainhall wrote:they do precisely nothing to stop you breathing in the dangerous tiny particulates

They're not even designed for that. Some may disagree with me, but in case no one noticed, doctors wear surgical masks to keep from emitting anything dangerous to the patient, not the other way around.

So, unless you're breathing out something that might make the pollution situation worse, those masks are useless.

I don’t think you drive a motorbike. I do.

I wear one of those masks on the bike and after a few days it’s black with dirt. That dirt is not going down my throat.

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#28 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby firecat69 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:36 pm

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#29 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby Jun » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:35 am

Except for the masks with a valve, any simple filter element will work both ways. Most of the masks I see with a valve have that valve for breathing out.
The key issue is what size particles these things actually filter out (the engineering part) and which are the most harmful (the biology).

I believe you need something that filters out to at least 2.5 micron. The large black stuff you see with the naked eye is probably above 50 micron.

With a quick google search, it's surprisingly difficult to get written specs for face masks from a respected brand like 3M. Also most of the mask reviews are written by dim witted journalists who never check or discuss such fundamentals.

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#30 Re: smog in pattaya

Postby fountainhall » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:53 am

Following on Jun's post, a couple of decades ago I was staying in a hotel in Taipei when I noticed that there were face smoke masks available. It made me realise that in any accident involving fire a proper mask that permits up to 10 minutes or so of breathable air is almost essential to saving life. Since I was living on floor 35 of a high rise in Hong Kong at the time and was taking planes every few weeks, I searched the internet for the best unit I could purchase. The most highly recommended, by several fire authorities and others, was called Evac-U-8. This was contained in a canister rather like a slightly larger soft drink can. So I purchased a couple and made sure one was always at my side on a plane. When once I stupidly left it on a plane, I purchased another. And when their sell-by dates had been reached I bought two more.

These masks were not cheap but having them with me made me feel I'd have a better chance in the event of a serious fire. A few years later, suddenly they were withdrawn from sale. The company which made them went bust and purchasers were advised to obtain refunds from their local supplier. But the Hong Kong supplier had also gone bust! I still have no idea why, but assume that the guarantee of 18 minutes breathable air had been proved to be very wrong. I also assume sadly that there must have been a number of deaths.

So no matter how praised on the internet any protection unit like a smoke or pollution mask may be, even experts can be wrong - or even can be paid to promote a product they have not fully tested.


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